For the majority, their immune system can recognize biotoxins, break them down, and eliminate them. In the genetically susceptible, their immune system can’t identify the biotoxin or eliminate it. The biotoxin remains in the body, damaging cells, and promoting immune dysfunction. This leads to systemic inflammation causing a myriad of symptoms across many systems of the body. This episode deep dives into biotoxin illness, MARCons, and so much more.  

Our guest, Onjae Malyszka is a chronic illness warrior who went from bedridden to BULLETPROOF. He is a clinical herbalist and holistic health coach who helps people become agents of their wellbeing so they can achieve vital health and thrive when faced with increasing toxicity.

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• Why water damage is so dangerous

• Tick bites got you worried? 

• Insomnia or Weight Gain could mean more than you think

• Are you safer indoors or outdoors?

• An essential home test for assessing mold

• What else can we do beyond air purifiers? 

• Easy treatment for MARcons

• Why Cinnamon Essential Oil is awesome

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0 (41s): Welcome to the essential oil revolution. I'm your host, Samantha Lee Wright today on our show, we dive deep into a really niche topic known as chronic inflammatory response syndrome. Also known as biotoxin illness. And in a nutshell, it's when the environment around you specifically in your home due to water damage, poor quality construction materials, and other things can contribute to your body's inflammatory response, triggering somewhat of an auto-immune disorder. That can be extremely difficult to diagnose if you don't know which tests to take.

0 (1m 22s): So this deep dive episode is a bit longer. And for that, we're going to skip over our usual DIY recipe and my favorite oil of the week. We also throw out a ton of notes, resources, supplements, testing products that can help with this condition. And my guest today on Jay Melissa was kind enough to compile all of that for you in a little easy to access cheat sheet for free there on the show notes page for this episode. So don't worry if you're frantically taking notes, we've got a little cheat sheet for you compile. If you look just below wherever you're listening to this episode, there should be a link there in the show notes.

0 (2m 4s): And so with that, let's dive deep into essential oils, biotoxin illness, home environments, and so much more Well I'm here with Andre Melisko, who is a chronic illness warrior. He went from bedridden to Bulletproof and we're going to find out how he achieved that he's a clinical herbalist and holistic health coach who helps people become agents of their wellbeing so they can achieve vital health and thrive when faced with increasing toxicity. Andre, welcome to the show.

3 (2m 37s): Thank you, Samantha. I'm so excited to be here just to be able to collaborate with you and just share some stories and some insight into the world of essential oils and everything in between.

0 (2m 49s): Yeah, well, you've had such a fascinating journey and we're going to dive into chronic illness and lots of specific things. But before we go there, I wanted to ask first and foremost, just what your relationship with essential oils is. What are some of your favorite things about this wonderful tool of plant medicine? 3 (3m 10s): Wow. Yeah, I have used essential oils extensively throughout my healing journey of chronic inflammatory response syndrome. And they're just incredible tools. What I love most about them is that they're lipophilic. So they're fat loving, you know, so they have the potential of crossing the blood brain barrier and penetrating intracellularly, which is just incredible. And one of the things I recently learned that another term for essential oils is a theorial oils. And I just thought that was profound. And I was like looking up a definition of a theorial and it's extremely delicate and light in light in a way that seems too perfect for this world.

3 (3m 51s): So I thought that kind of encapsulated a little bit and spoke to the essence of essential oils.

0 (3m 59s): I agree. It's like the perfect explanation for them. I love it. So you mentioned chronic inflammatory response syndrome. What exactly is it?

3 (4m 11s): It can also be called biotoxin illness and it's an abnormal and unregulated immune response to biotoxins. What are a, biotoxin basically, it's a toxin of a biological origin. So like an organism or a fragment of an organism. Then you have like Lyme and co-infections Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella, and, or mycotoxins from mold. It's not things like heavy metals or herbicides or pesticides, industrial pollution. Those are known as like Xeno Biotics biotoxins are specifically from a living organism and most common exposures are going to be water damaged buildings and tick bites.

3 (4m 58s): I mean, within a water damaged building, it's not necessarily just mold. There's like really a biochemical toxic soup. That's taking place. The building becomes sick and dysbiotic where there's not only mold and mycotoxins, but other bacteria like actino, my city's glue, beta glucans, man. It's like just a myriad of things.

0 (5m 24s): And these are not the mold spores you're talking about. This is other byproducts of that process.

3 (5m 29s): Yes. Yes. I mean, in a water damaged building, you have to think about, I mean, it's a perfect, like say plaster or drywall or wood. I mean, it's all just such a perfect substrate for these organisms to once, you know, there's water intrusion and ongoing water intrusion for them to proliferate, they have something to feed on. And it's such a say, I guess, imbalanced environment, like it's something that humans have constructed that is so unnatural from the natural world. So there's not really much, much competition for other organisms and things to, I guess, promote that harmony or symbiosis with.

0 (6m 12s): Right. Well, when we construct houses, we really kind of put ourselves in this delusion that we're creating these sterile environments, right? We're creating this box. That's going to protect us from everything from the outside world. It's just going to be our little, you know, sterile ecosystem on the inside when that's, it's really so far from the truth and can have really damaging effects if we try to approach it that way, would you agree?

3 (6m 36s): Oh, most definitely. I feel like, you know, a lot of people think that, you know, indoor air quality is better going to be better than outdoor air quality. Unfortunately that's not usually the case unless you're living in, you know, a major metropolis where, you know, crazy amounts of industrial pollution. But unfortunately, you know, there's even just dust that is accumulating. That is essentially, you know, particles of building materials that are breaking down the VOC that are coming off, this stuff, the off gassing, but also that dysbiosis of the water damaged building.

3 (7m 19s): So like breathing that in constantly is really going to be damaging to health no matter what your genetic made it make up, which we'll get into that now.

0 (7m 29s): Okay. And, and talking about water damaged buildings versus non water damaged buildings, is there, there's still a level I imagine of toxicity in the air, even if the building's not water damage, but maybe it tends to be at a level that most people can kind of handle. Okay.

3 (7m 48s): For sure. I mean, depending on your sensitivity, but still even being in a home, you know, especially a newly constructed building or an old one too. I mean, it's going to be deteriorating over time. Like the breakdown of those materials, releasing a lot of stuff into the air and we're breathing that in utilizing a high quality air purifier is going to be awesome, leaving, you know, really getting a lot of fresh air into your home. That's going to be ideal as well.

0 (8m 20s): Do you have a, a specific air purifier that you can to advise people or things to look for in an air purifier?

3 (8m 27s): There's a couple of different ones like hypo ones. The air doctor is really awesome. One IQ air molecule. Those are three off the top of my head. I can think of.

0 (8m 41s): We have an air doctor and a, and a molecule in my daughter's room. So they're, yeah, they're great. We live in a really challenging environment. It's very moist. It's very wet where we live and we live in an older building with a basement. It's a lot of challenges and there's like an old dusty fireplace. I just feel like I'm always like trying to battle like battling my house. It's a terrible feeling to have it. That's how I feel. And you know, sometimes I feel a little helpless. I'm like, oh my God, it's just, it's, it's pointless. You know, there's nothing we can do, but obviously that's not the case, you know, beyond air purifiers. What else can we do?

3 (9m 19s): I think just being mindful of obviously humidity in the home and then just water intrusion, potential water intrusion, no matter where you're at in the world, even if you're in a desert, you know, sometimes a lot of high desert where I'm at, we experienced quite a bit of snow. So like that's going to be a factor or you're just gonna be getting rain no matter where you're at in the world. Even if it is the desert where that can, if you know, the home is not structurally sound and in a way where it's allowing water to come in, that can be very problematic.

0 (9m 58s): How does one know if they are suffering from biotoxin illness? What are some of those diagnostic misconceptions? How do you put all those puzzle pieces together to figure out, yes, this is something I have, or, oh, this is just like allergies or something.

3 (10m 14s): I mean, one of the biggest things to note within SIRS is that it's specific to genes. And then there's a specific HLA Dr. Haplo type, a set of jeans physically on the six chromosome that are responsible for the immune system regulation. And that's basically about 22% of the us population. I don't know. It ranges from

0 (10m 41s): High

3 (10m 42s): To 25%. Yeah. So, and with the, there's been estimates and studies that the EPA has done assessing water damaged buildings, and they estimate up to 50% of buildings and homes in the U S have suffered water damage. And a huge proportion of that are going to be experiencing ongoing water damage. So like, this is a really serious problem, but for many, like being exposed to a biotoxin, whether that's in a water damaged building and bit by a tick and you know, everything that encapsulates in there, but their immune system can recognize biotoxins break them down and eliminate them.

3 (11m 26s): Somebody that's genetic pre genetically predisposed, their immune system really can't identify that and break down the biotoxin. So really the biotoxin remains in the body damaging cells and promotes immune dysfunction. And like I said, it's like an abnormal and unregulated immune response. So really that leads to systemic inflammation, causing a myriad of symptoms, across many systems of the body. And we see fatigue and brain fog, cognitive issues, memory issues, neurological ticks, spasms, tremors, numbness, and tingling. I mean, there's so many different symptoms that can manifest sensory sensitivities.

3 (12m 12s): I mean, for me, I was really sensitive to light sounds, smells, especially, especially chemically dense or, you know, chemically dense products. And then we see even like weight issues and insomnia. So like just getting an idea, like those are really common symptoms that people are experiencing. Yeah.

0 (12m 34s): What was your, how did your illness manifest, you know, and how long did it take for you to realize, wow, like there's, there's something going on here. I need to figure this out.

3 (12m 45s): Yeah, it was, it was funny how it all occurred because it kind of occurred pretty suddenly when I was 22, 21 or 22, 26 now. And I had noticed some headaches coming on. That was really unusual for me. I was like traveling around with my now wife in our, whether it be like a self converted sprinter van, we were like down in Southern California. And yeah, I had noticed those headaches coming on and I thought that it was in relation to caffeine intake.

3 (13m 27s): So I had been drinking a lot of coffee up to that point. And so I eliminated, I just cut it out cold Turkey and I experienced a little bit of, I guess, withdrawal symptoms from that, you know, kind of headaches and stuff like that. But then I felt this overwhelming, like pressure in my head. And then it started to experience a lot of cognitive issues where I started like having a hard time formulating sentences and remembering even family members and even friends names. And that was really scary. And then eventually like fatigue kind of set in and then a lot of joint pain and aches and everything just kind of spiraled out of control from there.

3 (14m 12s): And up to that point, I'd been going from doctor to doctor, to doctor over a period of about six months before I started to like, get a little bit of attraction and an understanding what was going on. But that was really challenging to actually do is because I was going to regular just like family physicians and even alternative naturopath homeopaths, and not really receiving the information and the direction that I really needed because really many people are going around dismissed and validated with this condition because it is, there's a lot of misconceptions surrounding this condition.

3 (14m 53s): Not really getting the awareness that it requires for somebody to have a clear cut like action plan and even just getting to a diagnosis to begin with. Yeah.

0 (15m 4s): Yeah. W what were some of the kind of things they were throwing out of like, oh, maybe it's this, or maybe it's that?

3 (15m 11s): Yeah. I mean, one of the, one of the things that one of the physicians jumped to right off the bat was Lyme disease. And I had exposure to ticks tick bites when I'm going over to Connecticut. I had family over on the east coast, but that physician really kind of jumped the gun and didn't adequately test me for that. Granted, those are biotoxins, you know, within the Borrelia, the BJ Bartonella, all those things, but we didn't, he did not actually adequately test me, but then throws me on to a suitcase full of antibiotics and homeopathic injections, you know, myriad of supplements and all these different things.

3 (15m 56s): And that really leveled me. I mean, I walked out of the doctor's office, thousands of dollars later. And from all of those interventions, got to the point where I was completely and utterly bedridden for about six months. And just to get back to my baseline of the symptoms that I was experienced prior to that, but it got to the point where it's like walking up a flight of stairs was I was incapable of doing that and just really couldn't do anything and was just a little bit of brainwashed that, I mean, I, I think at the time too, just like landing on a diagnosis, I feel like it's such a relief in it, but something that we also cling onto, because it's like, okay, we're trying to make sense of this.

3 (16m 41s): And I was trying to make sense of this. Why am I feeling this way? I'm 22 years old, recently married, like thought I was going to be, you know, just live in it, living it up, you know, but then I had to move back in with my parents and with my wife. And it was just so overwhelming just to try to figure all and put the puzzle pieces together because really I wasn't receiving the help that I actually needed. It took a while until I started actually putting those together. And from each doctor that I saw, I started to kind of, and just the amount that I invested into this whole experience of researching and educating myself on so many different ways and, and, you know, applying these, these tools and techniques.

3 (17m 34s): So like, I think one of the biggest misconceptions around specifically serves are looking at biotoxin illness or mold toxicities. There's a lot of tests that have come up urinary mycotoxin tests from like realtime, great Plains laboratory, which I had done, but diving further into this condition, it's really not sufficient. These mycotoxins has really are showing what's being eliminated, not

0 (18m 6s): What snorts, what stored in the body. Yeah.

3 (18m 9s): What not what's stored, or if it's impacting our physiology. I mean, it could be being exposed or eating like mycotoxin late in foods like grains, nuts and seeds and different things like that and be eliminating those mycotoxins, but not actually being impacted by this condition. So there's a few different phases that you go into to really get down to that base level understanding of like what's actually going on in the body.

0 (18m 40s): So you had, you talked about sort of the difficulties of diagnosing biotoxin illness. How did you point yourself to that direction and what are, what are the ways you would direct someone to say, Hey, you know, you need to, you need to figure out if this is a part of your puzzle,

3 (19m 1s): For sure. I think really the work of Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker and Dr. Andrew Heyman, they're like really the pioneering physicians in this field and really providing the evidence and the clinical trials of really getting this more medically recognized across the board, you know, and yeah, I mean, for me, it took many years to kind of put the, those pieces together because I had a couple of leads. People were like, okay, yeah, maybe it's Lyme disease. And then it's like, oh, maybe it's mold. And actually at one physician that I saw was like, yeah, there's not really much that we can do to you, but maybe you can look further into mold.

3 (19m 43s): So that was a good, another lead. And so I, I follow that a little bit. And I eventually, they had been moved out to Florida with my wife and a physician that I was seeing there had, you know, kind of landed on mold biotoxin illness, SIRS, what ha you know, you know, there's kind of a umbrella terms. And so that was when I got the urinary mycotoxin to pass, but then eventually it just didn't fully add up. Once I started diving into Richie shoemaker's work, because then really the process that they go through to really accurately diagnosis is looking at symptom patterns.

3 (20m 32s): Like I think that's one of the biggest ones is, is all those, a lot of the symptoms that I had specified earlier, they break it down into like 13 clusters. This is on surviving mold.com really incredible resource. But anyways, if you check out eight of 13 checkoff, eight of 13 of those symptom clusters, it's good. I've been asked to kind of move further down this, this rabbit hole. Then you start assessing history or exposures. There's a lot of misdiagnoses that, you know, show up within this condition, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, even things like depression, anxiety, IDs, add ADHD within that history and those exposures, you know, really assessing your home, your work school for potential biotoxin exposure, like, you know, being in a water damaged building mold.

3 (21m 32s): And there's a couple of different tests that you can assess there, but sometimes this whole inflammatory response could have been initiated maybe at a place that you previously lived at or another exp different exposure, you know, within your history. So it can be really challenging, but, you know, obviously assessing your home environment is going to be key. A really simple test that somebody can do at home is the IRMI the environmental relative Molinas indexed, micro metrics are invited. Biomics are two labs off the top of my head that supply, it's like a little swab kit where you swab dust in home, and that will help assess the potential fungal burden of the home.

3 (22m 21s): And if, you know, it's not foolproof by any means, but it is some data to go off of. And if something does come back, you know, with high levels of potential, you know, mycotoxins or fungal burden, then bringing in an indoor environmental professional or building biologists that really knows what they're doing and understands this condition, especially.

0 (22m 47s): Yeah. Would that be different than like a mold remediators company or it does kind of hand in hand?

3 (22m 55s): Well, the thing with your regular run of the mill mold inspector really won't have the, the understanding of, of this condition or the tools to really assess potential mycotoxins and looking at those other organisms that might be present as well. You know, they, I think that, yeah, that's one of the biggest disconnects is like, it's pretty easy, you know, and I've heard very lucrative to be a mold inspector going in and having, you know, pretty expensive tests, but you know, this condition, not having the recognition that really it needs, you know, people will kind of cut corners and not really understand.

3 (23m 43s): Okay. Like what, how much of fungal burden is enough to actually, you know, make this, this person ignite this person with that inflammatory response?

0 (23m 53s): Is there a place you'd recommend someone start out as far as getting to a diagnosis of biotoxin illness?

3 (24m 1s): One of the things that somebody can really easily do to see if they're being impacted by this illness is the VCs test, the visual contrast sensitivity within this condition with the inflammation in the brain, inflames, the optical nerve in the eye, which will really interfere with our color contrasting or like color differentiation. So that's a simple one that takes like 10, 15 minutes at home. You do it on the computer actually. And there's a bunch of different like slides that pop up of these different contrast in colors. And usually if you're no matter how good your eyesight is, if you're failing that, that will kind of be indicative of that neuroinflammation.

0 (24m 48s): Oh, what was that test called again,

3 (24m 50s): The VCAs test, the visual contrast sensitivity, and yeah, that can be found on, I think, VCs test.com or even on that surviving mold.com as well. There's something that, that would also be worthwhile is getting tested for that genetic predisposition, that HLA DRDQ, and that can be done by lab Corp quest and also a really key component to this is the Shoemaker panel. So these tests really look at the physiologic response to within this condition, you know, certain inflammatory markers in hormones that are impacted.

3 (25m 36s): And another one that's been recently has come online is the, the neuro Quan, have you heard of that one? I

0 (25m 42s): Have not, no,

3 (25m 44s): It's a, it's a volumetric brain scans utilizing MRI technology that really assesses certain regions of the brain that have potentially been atrophied by this condition. And what's unique to this is that whether you're impaired by biotoxins from mold or from, you know, a tick bite line, you can kind of differentiate, you can see the patterns, the ones that relate to the mold or the ones that relate to a line in those different regions of the brain, which is incredible.

3 (26m 24s): And last but not least is the, the mark ons. And so basically mark on stands for multiple antibiotic resistant, coagulase negative staphylococcus, that's a mouthful. And basically it's, it's a colony or a commensurable colonization of staff related organisms in the deep nasal cavity. And so I think there's a couple of different labs that will do the testing. The one that I went through was microbiology DX. And so basically they send you a, a swab kit.

3 (27m 5s): They used to swab your nose basically deep back in the nasal cavity and send that in. And basically mark ons is recognized as a stealth infection cause it really doesn't trigger on alarming immune response, but really hides inside biofilm and actually essentially slowly drips feeds toxins across the blood brain barrier. And within this whole illness complex biotoxin illness, basically what happens when you're exposed to these things is like a massive inflammatory response cytokines signaling in the brain.

3 (27m 47s): And then it, you know, basically that inflammation in the nights and the brain and these inflammatory molecules start binding onto leptin receptors in the hypothalamus. When that occurs a really key master hormone known as melanocyte stimulating hormone starts to diminish. And it basically has executive function over many areas of the body. And the thing with Mark Hawkins is that mark ons actually proliferates when MSH is low and starts. Those toxins that, you know, drift feeds across the blood brain barrier starts lowering or causing more inflammation in the brain as well, and further diminishing that MSH.

3 (28m 37s): And when we see MSH levels go low, basically that decreases melatonin production. So insomnia decreases endorphins. So then there's a lot of pain, chronic pain. Let me see prolonged illness because of the decrease in white blood cell count. I mean, for me, that was one of the things on just regular labs. That was always a big question, mark, leading up to this was like, why is my white blood cell count so low? And there's nothing that I'm doing that is actually influencing that also what another kind of lead that I had down this whole rabbit hole in the, in the beginning was a head low testosterone and being, you know, 21 you think that would kind of be at its peak on hosts.

3 (29m 27s): And because with that lowered MSH that actually impairs androgen hormone production. So sex hormones like testosterone and estrogen. And so that's why we started seeing all these different cyst symptoms manifest across all these different systems of the body.

0 (29m 48s): Yeah. It affects everything. And the way, the way Mark Holmes was explained to me, I'm a little bit familiar with it because my daughter, she was diagnosed with Lyme. We started taking her to a more alternate or holistic healing practitioner and yeah, they tested her from our cons, which I never even heard about before. I'm so glad that we went there because they found her positive from our cons. And they explained to me that because that was present in her body, it was essentially not allowing her body to do the work of healing, the Lyme. And that's why she was still having inflammation in the joints and pain and a lot of the things that you've described.

0 (30m 31s): So I thought that was really fascinating how the, it seems like a pretty straightforward test. It seems like a well-researched thing. So it's, you know, it's kind of crazy to me how, how rare it is for people to actually, for doctors to actually test for it. But the treatment for her was really straightforward and simple. It was just colloidal, silver spray, nasal sprays. And, and it really almost w within like two weeks we saw an immediate turnaround where her body really started just calming down like inflammation wise. Pain-wise lots of things. It was really fascinating.

3 (31m 6s): Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean the whole thing with like, yeah, I mean the colloidal silver, I think is just such an incredible tool because really, I think what it comes down to is breaking down that biofilm and then the system can really handle the microbes itself.

0 (31m 23s): Right. Which we've had a lot of discussions on the show about essential oils and the effects on biofilms. So let's go there now on, as she tells how essential oils have played a role in this journey. And I assume one of the, one of the big benefits of just getting them into your body in any way during this journey is that they really are very powerful at getting through those, those biofilms, which are essentially these like super shields that are shielding these organisms in your body.

3 (31m 53s): Most definitely. Yeah. I mean, you know, I did initially to standard treatment of the beg spray, did they ever,

0 (32m 2s): I haven't heard

3 (32m 3s): About that. That's basically, I guess yeah. Standard has been the it's Bactroban, EDTA and gentamycin a couple of different antibiotics, but really there's been a recognition of significant bacterial resistance. And that's something that I had experienced because I had been utilizing it for the beg spray for months. I don't even know how many months it, we might've been in three or four months and still after getting, utilizing that and then getting retested. So high levels of mark ons. So one of the things that I've used effectively has been asked the colloidal silver xylitol, X Lear, just that kind of nasal spray.

3 (32m 51s): And basically I've made a per prep prior Terri blend, essentially of the colloidal silver, the X layer, and then Citra drops, essential oil. And that contains grapefruit seed lemon, lime and Tangerine seed. And I would kind of post that a little bit just utilizing that intermittently because I would notice significant, significant die off. So it was definitely having to, you know, moderate some of those, the dosages and, you know, the frequencies and then also binding

0 (33m 26s): Explain die off or people on familiar with that term.

3 (33m 29s): Yeah. Die off basically from these gram negative bacteria, they're when they're being killed, they're releasing a lot of endotoxins. And so that essentially increases more systemic inflammation in the body, especially if it's killed off rapidly. So really going slow and, you know, not pushing it because, you know, somebody within this condition is already experiencing enough inflammation and you don't want to just keep, you know, backing things up and keep disturbing, you know, that process. And then also one of the things that I would also include is Lugol's iodine into that solution.

3 (34m 14s): My main stay was definitely the, the ex Lear and the colloidal silver, but then getting those Citra drops in there was definitely a game changer.

0 (34m 22s): And that, that was a nasal rinse or nasal spray that you were doing.

3 (34m 26s): Yeah. I would basically just mix it into just like a, a nasal spray applicator. And so, yeah, I mean, that was the mark ons, definitely a big aspect of treatment to reduce that. I mean, one of the things to actually to note is that, you know, potential cavitations mark ons can basically reside in there in the jaw if you've had, you know, certain wisdom, teeth, wisdom, teeth removed, and, you know, having a little bit of that tail end of the tooth, the root, you know, staying there and kind of deteriorating breaking down can Harbor a lot of different microbes and bacteria, especially that mark ons can actually reside in there.

3 (35m 19s): So that's another place to check if things aren't progressing as expected. 0 (35m 24s): Oh, they can actually like swab that area and test that sounds painful.

3 (35m 30s): Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely. And you know, another aspect of this condition, especially being exposed to water damaged buildings is dysbiosis within the, within the microbiome. That was something that I really had to address, you know, and I, I think back to the times that I have known water damage exposure was actually in a, in a school bus that I converted. And I was like living over in outside of Eugene, Oregon, and, you know, coming into the, the, the winter yeah.

3 (36m 10s): Into the winner's fall and winter, there's just like so much rainfall, so much humidity, but cold. And basically my bus had molded over, but I didn't really understand how toxic mold can be and, you know, just the health implications of that. So I've been really paying for that over the long-term now many years, but I, you know, attributed some of that dysbiosis to a lot of that exposure and to a diet that really wasn't benefiting this whole process either that was actually promoting more of a microbial imbalance. So like,

0 (36m 48s): And then put a genetic predisposition on top of that. And boom. Yeah.

3 (36m 52s): Yes. And cinnamon essential oil with coconut oil caprylic acid was a really awesome tool, especially that, you know, that cinnamon essential oil, I just put a couple drops into coconut, a little occupy occupancy started with one drop cause even just one drop was like, you know, a lot for my body to take eventually it was able to, you know, just ease into that process and be able to handle it more and utilizing berberine, you know, found in things like Oregon, grape Coptis Barberry that is shown to like really put a positive pressure on the microbiome without actually, you know, causing too much of a, of a disturbance by going in and like killing things off, you know?

0 (37m 37s): Yeah. You have to be really gentle. You have to be powerful and gentle at the same time. And that's exactly what essential oils are really good at.

3 (37m 44s): Definitely, definitely. I mean, one of the kind of three-step process that my mentor over at vital ways Institute CRISPR, Samaca, he, he's got this process of it's called weed feed and seed when you're addressing dysbiosis. So like weed is about reducing that carbohydrate intake and those high-glycemic foods and applying a little bit of a pressure to the biome with culinary herbs, like oregano time, garlic, Rosemary, and then considering some of those kill herbs or essential oils, like, you know, the oil of oregano or things like that I feed is all about, you know, including a lot of colorful veggies and polyphenols fiber into the diet is more prebiotics and then seating with, you know, for men's kimchi, sauerkraut, pickled veggies, and even including stem probiotics potentially.

3 (38m 39s): And especially like ones that I like that are somewhat effective or the cysts and soil based organism probiotics MegaSpore biotic was kind of a mainstay. I know there's like primal flora and prescript assist. I believe that are some other good ones too.

0 (38m 59s): Yeah. Well, I love that philosophy of like, not, let's not just focus on eliminating, right. We can get really aggressive in our thinking of treating illnesses. You know, we have to go in, we have to destroy all the bad things, but unless you're also putting in the good things that your body needs to thrive and function and, and resist, you know, having this all occur all over again, you really have to be seeding. You have to be putting the proper stuff into your body.

3 (39m 27s): Most definitely. Because like sometimes if you just kill everything off, there's already been that environment that has promoted those quote unquote like bad bugs to proliferate, you know? So it's, you know, highly likelihood that after killing a bunch of stuff off, those would probably just come back as well. So really being able to bring up that microbial diversity to really, you know, have things settle. And so for there to be a little bit more harmony within that.

0 (39m 58s): Yeah, exactly. Well, what a wild journey that you've been on and how old are you now?

3 (40m 5s): 26.

0 (40m 6s): Okay. So yeah, it's been, you know, a short five years that you've been going through this journey to go from what you say, bedridden to Bulletproof, which I love, thank you so much for sharing, you know, the journey I love when people, I hate that people have to go through such terrible things, but I love when they take those experiences and turn it into opportunities for others to learn where they, you know, they acquire that knowledge and then they share it. It's so important. So thank you for the work that you're doing there before we move on to our closing questions. Is there any last advice you want to give to people who, who want to become Bulletproof like you?

3 (40m 44s): Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, just becoming an agent of our own wellbeing and, you know, for a long time I had depended so much on, you know, external sources or authorities to quote unquote, like kill me. And it wasn't until I really started just, yeah. Taking more agency over, over my health, educating myself and really putting in the work. Granted, you know, there's incredible physicians out there that are really, you know, providing somewhat of a, of a, of a road map for people, but really you have to, you have to walk that path and that journey and, you know, sometimes it gets pretty hairy and you know, it isn't clear on which direction though we're moving, but just putting one foot after another, you know, and that's kind of just everything that has kind of coalesced along my journey is that I can, you know, have an idea of that, of that finish line.

3 (41m 50s): It's something that I was really striving to. Then eventually that light just kind of started to, I could see it clearer and clearer and got more vibrant and in turn really felt that light just like increase my vitality more and more. As I moved along, this journey really started to take to my healing into my own hands.

0 (42m 12s): We say that quite often here on the show. So I couldn't agree more Well on Jay. This has been so wonderful. And again, thank you for, for sharing all of this wonderful information for us. And like you said, this affects probably way more people in the world than then we might think, you know, with that you said, what 24% predisposition genetically, and then almost 50% of homes are water damage and then throw on top of that, the increases of tick bites and Lyme disease and things like that. So I think this is going to be really helpful information for people to hear. We'll, we'll let people know how they can get in touch with you here in a bit.

0 (42m 55s): But first we want to ask your eye closing questions and the first is what's one or two self-care practices that you try to do every day to stay healthy.

3 (43m 4s): Cool. Yeah. I, number one, using toxin binders just on a daily basis, I do the push catch protocol. I think that was promoted by Christopher shade of Quicksilver scientific. That is those products. And basically first thing in the morning, I wake up and I have a comprehensive toxin binders. That's like activated charcoal at night, clay ochre, and B actually is very useful for SIRS and specifically for mycotoxins and gluco man and a couple others. But yeah, I take that. That's basically setting up what is known as the catch 45 minutes later.

3 (43m 47s): I have a bitter substance. Usually that's going to be coffee with some fats thrown into the mix there, and then some, also some other bitter herbs like dandelion organ grape. Those are basically the, the push that's pushing the toxin bile conjugates in the gallbladder because you know, really a lot of the time toxins are binding to bile in the gallbladder and catching those talks in the small intestine with that comprehensive binder, those binders, and for effectively eliminating, because what's really problematic is nowadays is the internal hepatic circulation.

3 (44m 34s): That's just the natural process of the liver circulating certain materials. And a lot of those nowadays, especially living in modern times is a lot of, you know, really toxin dense of what we're being exposed to on a daily basis. So make sure, making sure we're having just effectively eliminating and number two, I was going to say getting into nature, but one thing I wanted to mention is making my own medicine and, you know, I've been trained as an herbalist and so make a lot of my own tinctures and different things like that and other extractions, but another thing is just making those comprehensive binders and even just buying bulk supplements and different things like that.

3 (45m 21s): And encapsulating myself, I feel like bridges bring building more of a relationship and a connection with, you know, the materials that we're utilizing to support our health is just medicine in and of itself.

0 (45m 36s): Yeah. It's a empowerment element to it. I mean, if you're not taking an advocacy over your own health and your own journey, there's only so far, you can go. I really believe that.

3 (45m 47s): Definitely. And you know, I, especially throughout my healing journey, like it was very financially strapped. So like I had no choice, but to really, you know, to just take authority in that area and really just find ways, little simple hacks that I can do to reduce the costs and reduce, or just increase the efficacy of stuff. Like I even make my own lyposomal vitamin C, which is very, very simple process. And really, it wouldn't be plausible for me to be buying, you know, from a company, especially when taking, you know, 10,000 plus milligrams per day.

3 (46m 29s): So, you know, just simple things like that. Yeah. Just getting that connection with our medicine.

0 (46m 36s): I love that. Well, finally, on J what's one thing that we should all ditch completely and replace with something healthier today,

3 (46m 45s): Ditching dogma for constantly challenging our beliefs that having that self inquiry and experimentation and just always reassessing, you know, I, I, for me, I, I held onto a very health diminishing way of, of being in eating for for many years, even though I was, you know, thought I was doing something good, but there was so much evidence telling me otherwise and other people telling me otherwise. And so, you know, really had to let go of some of that dogma and really just be assessing that to really find the truth. And at the, you know, baseline level,

0 (47m 26s): Andre, you shared so many resources here today. We're going to make sure that we have a link to hopefully everything you've mentioned today that testing the supplements, the air purifiers, or, you know, everything we can think of that was mentioned today will compile into a little cheat sheet for everyone to make it easy. But as far as people wanting to reach out and be more a part of your world, where's the best place for them to go.

3 (47m 50s): Yeah. You know, with unprecedented levels of toxin exposure, I mean, I feel like we like to believe we're leading a health healthy lifestyle. I know I thought for a time, but I was just being bombarded by toxicity, whether that was from, you know, a water damaged building or just products that I was utilizing, the water, I was drinking all of these things. So I have a, a toxicity or lifestyle toxicity quiz that, you know, really kind of gets the wheels turning and essentially an audit of like maybe areas that we're allowing toxins into our lives and finding ways that we can reduce that toxic exposure and really thrive in this modern world, because it is kind of inconvenient to live with vitality in a time when it's very convenient to be exposed to so many different tox toxic agents.

3 (48m 48s): So yeah, that's at Heartlight healing.com/quiz and yeah, just diving into there and just get those wheels turning and getting an action plan of like, okay, I can reduce some of that toxin exposure and that's going to benefit our health overall

0 (49m 5s): Heart led healing.com. How'd you snag that domain. That's awesome.

3 (49m 10s): I was surprised I was surprised to find out one and yeah, there, and then I'm also on Instagram. I'm just my name on J Melissa O N J a E M a L Y S Z K a. I know it's kind of tricky, but yeah. Heartlight healing.com/quiz.

0 (49m 31s): Great. Well, we will also put a link to that below for all of you listeners out there. Thank you so much on Jay for spending your time with us here today and sharing your wisdom. We really appreciate you. Thanks.

3 (49m 43s): Okay. Thank you. So Nando's honest though. I appreciate you.

0 (49m 48s): The essential oil revolution is created by me, Samantha Lee. Right? Thanks so much for tuning in. Again, if you're looking for notes from today's episode, we've compiled a special cheat sheet just for you. It's free. It's just one click away down below in the show notes, wherever you're listening to this podcast, while you're at it, go ahead and leave us a rating or review wherever you're listening. It always helps other people find the show, find this information that who knows could really be a lifesaver for someone who is suffering from this kind of illness. Thanks so much for sharing and as always, thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you again next week in the meantime, keep on learning, keep on discovering.

0 (50m 29s): And most importantly, keep on treating yourself. Well, you are fourth. It.

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