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0 (40s): Hey there, and welcome to the Essential Oil Revolution. I'm your host Samantha Lee Wright. Thanks so much for tuning in today on the show, we broaden our lens a little and step back and look at the world of herbalism on a larger perspective. My guest today, Logan Christopher, specializes in what's considered performance herbs. That means herbs to help you perform better in all sorts of different ways, whether that be athletic at work, in the bedroom, or what have you. You'll also get an interesting perspective on essential oils and how they fit into the world of herbalism and how we as humans can live more aligned to nature.

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0 (4m 14s): Well, I'm here with Logan Christopher, who is the co-founder and c e o of Lost Empire Herbs. He's the author of Powered By Nature Mental Muscle and many more. Logan is a passionate educator about herbs and wellness, so we're really excited to have him here on the show today. Logan, welcome. How are you?

4 (4m 37s): I'm doing all right. Thanks for having me.

0 (4m 38s): Absolutely. I'm, I'm so in love with the topic of, of herbs in general. I was introduced to herbalism long before I was introduced to essential oils, and I think it was partly my love for herbs, especially in that, that perspective of using herbs for health that really made me fall in love with essential oils on this other level because I was already familiar with the plant world as this toolkit. Right. And then essential oils were introduced to me as just sort of another form of that toolkit, what I found that so fascinating, so mad respect for, for what you do.

0 (5m 24s): Tell us, tell us a little bit more about Lost Empire Herbs and what you do there and and why you started it.

4 (5m 33s): Yeah, I, I started the company with my two brothers and we were focused on health, but also on performance in addition to other things. I'm also a strong man. I've done some pretty crazy feats of strength, like ripping deck of cards in half, pulling a firetruck by my hair, and I wasn't naturally strong or athletic. So in seeking out to do these sort of things, I was always on the lookout for an edge. And one of the places that led me was into herbalism. So it's slightly a different approach than many people take to herbalism. And I think Lost Empire herbs kind of follows that. We talk about this idea of performance herbalism, like basically anything, there's kind of an herb that can help you out with that.

4 (6m 15s): So if you want to perform better, whe whether that's in the gym or in a business, there's some herbs that can help you out with that. And that's what we do at Lost Empire

0 (6m 22s): Or the Bedroom, which is always fun. Yes, I saw some of that on your website. That's always fun. Okay, so you can pull a firetruck by your hair. I have to kind of go back to that statement for a second. What does that even like, I mean, I can't even imagine, does that require like amazing scalp strength, like, or is it all in the neck and the back? I mean, how do you even train for something like that?

4 (6m 49s): Yeah, so it is an odd feat. I got inspired by an old time strong man back in the vaudeville era, a guy named the Mighty Adam, and he pulled vehicles by his hair. He like bit through nails. He did some crazy stuff. Even on a couple occasions, he stopped single propeller planes from taking off just attached to his hair. So I had long hair and decided to try this out and started with some small vehicles. But then at this event out in Ohio, I, I worked up to the point of doing a 8,800 pound antique firetruck. When you have all the, the hair together, it's kind of strong like a rope. So it really is largely a feet of neck strength as well as pain tolerance.

0 (7m 33s): Yeah, like a pain tolerance on your scalp or

4 (7m 36s): I don't recommend, it's not, not a fun one. I would recommend some other stuff, but you know, sometimes you like to push the limits, so there you go.

0 (7m 45s): Yeah, I know humans are kind of crazy in that way. We're like, let's just do this thing because we can Right. Keep, keep pushing forward. Well, you know, speaking of that endurance fee, what are some of your favorite herbs to go to? Four performance for athletic performance?

4 (8m 2s): The first herb that I ever tried that really kind of hooked me was the cor decept fungus. This was used by some Olympic level athletes and had great results. It is a, a fungus that actually literally attacks in insect way up high in the Himalaya mountains, where actually there's various species of cor ceps around the world that attack different insects for a variety of reasons. This is really a helpful adaptogenic herb that can help with endurance, help with energy, help with lung support in a variety of different ways. So the first time that I took Cortis, I noticed a difference in my workout that I could go just a little bit longer, so that from that first moment I was kind of hooked and so many more herbs on top of that.

4 (8m 48s): One of my other favorites right now, a a big thing we do at Lost Empire Herbs is pine pollen. This is literally the pollen of pine trees. Not a lot of people have heard of it as a supplement, but it's pretty unique and useful in that it has human hormones in it. It has testosterone, D H E a, just in very trace amounts. So they're not fully just human hormones, but there's other phyto androgens. Most people have heard of phytoestrogens, but there's actually the male or androgenic compliment to that. And this is a really good herb for helping to support testosterone in other healthy hormones.

0 (9m 20s): Hmm. I've, I've heard a lot of buzz around pine pollen lately. Do you guys form that as a tincture? Is it a powder supplement? And, and who is sort of the ideal candidate for pine pollen?

4 (9m 35s): Yeah, it can be found in a couple different ways. So we sell it, and it's available as a a powder also in capsules and in a tincture. This one is a little bit more different than some other herbs in that the, the tincture is much stronger for this hormonal component, and this is likely because the hormonal signal is able to enter directly into the bloodstream versus going through digestion. I mean, they're both good for hormonal support, but we see the pine pollen as more of kind of a, a superfood and good for hormone support while the pine pollen tincture is more directly boosting to testosterone because of this fact. It is mostly well known as a male herb, and especially for guys, you know, age 40 plus where we see age rate related decline as well as all the endocrine disrupting chemicals in our environment.

4 (10m 25s): But actually a good number of women are having great results with this because women have testosterone two, and actually a lot of 'em may be deficient in this important hormone. So just like men have estrogen and that's actually important for sexual health and cognition and a couple factors like that, women have testosterone and this is good for libido, energy, bone health, a variety of other things.

0 (10m 49s): And now I'm assuming that with something like this, with pine pollen, you're talking about it's effects on the endocrine system, right? Right. With your hormones, testosterone levels, when we think about quote unquote hormone therapy in a more allopathic avenue like hormone treatments and things like that, there's a lot of controversy, there's a lot of side effects and risk associated with that. I'm assuming with something like pine pollen, if it's, you know, if it's just straight up pine pollen from the plant, that those side effects and those sorts of associations really go away.

4 (11m 29s): Yeah. So like anything else, we really, it's, it's useful to not think in black and white, but think along a spectrum. So yeah, when you're doing direct hormone replacement, that can be very useful in circum certain circumstances, but it does come with a higher risk of side effects. And in addition, if you're like just replacing a single hormone, it that kind of misses the picture of the whole sy of hormones that is going on in our body. So in general, like as a rule of thumb, using more natural substances are gonna work more alongside with the body rather than like overriding the body and driving it in a certain direction. Again, there's a time and a place for, it's more

0 (12m 10s): The synergy going on. Yeah.

4 (12m 13s): And so e even within the pine pollen we have that, I, I like to think of a spectrum of say food on one side and then we have pharmaceutical medicine on the other, right? And in the middle we have things like super foods and herbs and essential oils and tinctures. So the pine pollen being more of that food, and you can be very variable in dosage in this. It's gonna support the hormones in a gentle, but still can be quite positive way. With the pine pollen tincture, you're extracting out more of that material. So it's getting a little bit further on that spectrum, becoming more medicinal, a little bit closer to a pharmaceutical, but still pretty far away from that. And in, in general, the more you're on that food side, the safer things are, the more you are on that pharmaceutical, which is, you know, an isolated nutrient that's concentrated in a whole bunch of it, then you're gonna raise the risk of side effects.

4 (13m 4s): So that's kind of a, a frame I use to think about these things.

0 (13m 8s): Yeah, that's really helpful. Well, great. Well, Logan, I wanna step back a little bit and talk about how you define herbalism or what is an herb, and you'd already mentioned the use of fungi and mushrooms, cor decept. So obviously, you know, herbs aren't just restricted to, you know, green plants or plants that are, are in the, I guess the plant kingdom as opposed to the fungi kingdom. Talk a little bit more about that de distinction and definition of, of herbs versus something like essential oils, or you'd already talked about the spectrum of like allopathic medicine, but anything else we should consider when we use that word, herb or herbalism?

4 (13m 56s): Yeah, I'd like to look at the word herbs in kind of the classical Chinese sense of traditional Chinese medicine, which is one of the older systems of using herbs. And when they use that word, it is about much more than those green leafy plants. You know, that that's one association and that's good. A, a great many herbs are definitely gonna be from the plant kingdom. But as you mentioned, we have the fungi kingdom and the wide variety of medicinal mushrooms. In addition, there are animal herbs. Essentially at Los Empire we have ant extract, which is literally insects and then also deer antlers. So certain components coming from that animal kingdom.

4 (14m 38s): And then there's also the mineral kingdom as well, for instance, Sheila legit, and there's other things like that. So using the word herb in this way is really a kind of broad term for anything that can be medicinal and useful in supporting our health.

0 (14m 55s): Interesting. This is a total side note, but I find it really fascinating, a little tidbit of information I learned recently that humans and fungi are more closely related than humans and plants are

4 (15m 9s): Related. That is

0 (15m 9s): Correct. I thought that was really fascinating. Yeah, I'm, I'm a little obsessed with, with the mushroom world. It's just like, I think ever since Paul stat started doing his work, like more of the population are familiar with, with mushrooms and just how miraculous and incredible they are. And I'm really happy about that. Like mushrooms are finding their, their place now in the zeitgeist, and I, I love it.

4 (15m 34s): Yeah, I was actually the fun guy that really drew me more into the world of herbalism than green leafy plants in the first place.

0 (15m 40s): Thinking out loud, I don't, I've never heard of a mushroom or a fun guy that has been distilled into an essential oil.

4 (15m 49s): They do have essential oil. Yeah, it's very small amounts. So I think it would take a lot to do that. But I, I have not seen it myself, but I do know they contain oils.

0 (16m 1s): Interesting. I wonder what that would smell like. Yeah. Fascinated. I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to do some more digging on that. Very cool. Well, speaking of essential oils and herbalism, how do those two fit together in, in the work that you are doing?

4 (16m 18s): Yeah, so essential oils can be thought of as one fraction of plants. And this really only applies to some plants. Not all plants can you get an essential oil from, there may be oils in, but you know, not all of them are volatile like that. So different herbs may be more useful as an essential oil or more useful in other preparations. It really depends on the plant and what we're going for in them.

0 (16m 44s): Yeah. How would you choose between an essential oil or an herb or a supplement? I mean, there's so many options out there. So are there any sort of broad rules that you would apply to help gear or guide someone towards, you know, making those choices?

4 (17m 5s): Yeah, it's, it's kind of tough, basically, you know, standing on the shoulders of giants, so listening to people that have come before and, you know, what has historical and traditional use and modern day use in these different things. So with essential oils in general, these are most often going to be used topically. And also, for instance, right now I have a diffuser with Siberian fur essential oil that is going in my office here. So I'm breathing in these essential oils, which is a, a great use of them. Essential oils are sometimes taken in internally as well, but you wanna be a little bit more choosy about what you do with this. So those are some of the main uses of essential oils.

4 (17m 47s): And of course there's others on top of that with other uses of herbs. You know, you're often gonna find them in teas, in powders, in tinctures. So very often used orally. But this can also be used topically in the form of poultices for wounds, for instance, in various other preparations as well. So you, again, you have to look at what are you going for, like what kind of results are you looking for? And then what plants are gonna best support that, and then what types of extracts are gonna support that as well.

0 (18m 19s): Right, right. Yeah, and I'll just point out, I mean, some of, I guess the most obvious difference between an essential oil and either herbal tincture, poultice or, or herbal supplement would be the smell aspect, right? The aromatherapy. And that's one of the most enjoyable aspects of using essential oils, I believe, and kind of points to what I see as one of their main differences is that essential oils when used in that aromatic capacity has such a direct relationship to the limbic system of our brain, our emotional centers of our brain. That's not to say that herbs and tinctures can't affect us emotionally, but I find that that that category, that sort of emotional wellbeing area is where aromatherapy really shines because of the enjoyment factor, right?

0 (19m 16s): They just, they just smell good, right? They, they're so fun. And that direct line of that, that sense of smell being directly related to that area of our brain. So that's, that's one of the, the areas that I find really fascinating. But there's so much overlap between all of the worlds, right? There's a overlap between essential oils and tinctures and herbs and supplements, and there's overlap between supplements and herbs and allopathic medicine and you know, there's just all these gray areas that are, are fun to explore. It could be a little overwhelming break

4 (19m 54s): Up, a really good for people, a really good point of the, that you're mentioning the smell, but also the taste. So essential oils are all gonna smell good, right? But not all, all earths

0 (20m 5s): Mostly, yeah,

4 (20m 6s): Actually really smell good or taste good, but the taste is a important component for clueing the body in what to do. So we live in a world of convenience and ease, right? So capsules is the major way you're going to find herbs. And while we do offer those, it is better if you can taste the herb because the taste is actually clueing your body into what to do with that. It, it kind of, it can turn on digestion, but many other factors are involved. So we've had reports from some of our customers where they'll take a capsule and not see results in it, but then they taste the herb and they get results after doing. I can't say exactly how that works, except that, you know, if you look at any ancient system of herbalism, the taste would clue you into the effects of the herbs and therefore actually tasting it within your own body at hitting those taste receptors may be triggering something going on, whether that's in the limbic system or who knows all the other complex biology that goes on.

4 (21m 3s): So that's a important component that plays a role here.

0 (21m 6s): Yeah, that's so fascinating. There's a lot of interesting studies going on around that. I've had a few different chefs on the show here too, and they've talked about the importance of smell when it comes to the, you know, the taste of food. And so there's different experiments with different essential oils being diffused during like a dinner party or things like that and how that can affect the, the taste and the experience of those eaters. And then what was show, I think it was a recent radio lab podcast episode, which is one of my favorite podcasts of all time. They did a whole episode about airplanes and they had, they were talking about airplane food and why it tends to taste really bland and and bad, and that's mostly like a cost cutting thing.

0 (21m 54s): But there's also this huge factor that I'd never thought about before, and that is that when you're on an airplane, you can hardly hear anything. Your e you know, your eardrums are just being constantly berated by the sound of the wind and the engines. It's like a very loud decibel level that you're being exposed to while you're eating. And there's all these studies coming out talking about the effects of sound on your taste buds, and when you taste food and there different types of music can accentuate different flavors. So for, I can't remember which music, I think it was maybe like classical music or something can make things taste more sweet, or there's certain rhythms can make, can bring out the saltiness or the umami of a flavor.

0 (22m 43s): I thought that was so fascinating. Just how holistic are taste buds and our whole human experience could be. It's fascinating to me.

4 (22m 53s): Yeah, I hadn't heard of that one, but it's not surprising.

0 (22m 57s): So, Logan, are you a fan of forest bathing? Does that tie into your work much?

4 (23m 3s): Yeah, I love it. One of the things that we do at Lost Empires, I, I see, you know, taking supplements, taking herbs, it's great and obviously it can support people's health. We change people's lives with this stuff, but I see it as a tip of the spear. We wanna really get people towards a more natural living holistic lifestyle. And one of the best ways to do that is to take a walk out into the forest and specifically like most people don't recognize all the different benefits that this can bring, you know, related to essential oils. The forest is constantly releasing these volatile oils so that you're breathing these in. They often call 'em with the research related to that phyton sides, which are gonna have a, a variety of effects from stress reduction.

4 (23m 48s): Like everything they look at, like going out into the forest seems to help pretty much like the research is showing that many different things. So you're getting all these components you're breathing in, but if you can specifically walk barefoot, then you'll have that electrical grounding connection to the earth, which is the exchange of electrons, which is going to reduce pain, help people sleep better, regulate cortisol levels, wide variety of things. Again, pretty much everything they look at with these grounding benefits and research, it's showing that it's having a normalizing useful effect. Then hopefully, you know, you can get some sun coming in through those trees and be producing vitamin D on your skin, then you're moving over uneven terrain, which is useful for just the movement quality of the human body and proprioception.

4 (24m 36s): So a wide ver variety of benefits that come from just going out in nature and, you know, the average human definitely could stand to be doing more of this as just a healthy and also enjoyable habit in their life.

0 (24m 50s): I couldn't agree more. That's why I live in the mountains instead of the city, but yeah, if I don't get into the, into the woods every now and then I go a little kooky. Yeah. So Logan, I, I hear you talk a lot about hormone health and some of the products that you offer and performance, athletics, things like that. What, what do you see as an example of someone who has an ideal hormonal health? I mean, what, I guess in other words, how would you know if you do need some supplementation to help get into that optimal range?

4 (25m 36s): Yeah, that's a great question. Kind of related back to what I was just saying. To have ideal hormone health, or at least like decent hormone health, if you're living closer to a natural healthy living lifestyle, then you should be in those normal ranges. Like that's our birthright, that we should have good hormones carrying us through life. What often happens is, you know, as people age, yes hormones go down to some degree, but it's not really the time itself that's a problem. It's usually chronic toxicity or different issues that are going on, lack of nutrition that is causing this to go on and it just com compounds over time.

4 (26m 21s): One of the biggest issues today is the pervasive endocrine disrupting chemicals that are all around. So from plastics to pesticides, what's in our water? Literally there's like a BPA in the very air that we breathe, heavy metals, mold toxicity, all these things can be disrupting to the hormones and the average person doesn't have much, if any, awareness about these things that, you know, you shouldn't be microwaving food in plastic, like that's gonna leach out chemicals into there that are gonna have xeno estrogenic or other like anti-androgen effects within the human body. So it's gonna really pull those things off. I think this is one of the biggest issues today, and we're seeing that, you know, drops in fertility, for instance, in both men and women is associated with this, that we're, we're going in a very bad direction.

4 (27m 11s): But the good news is if you learn some of these factors, you can take steps to mitigate them, right? You know, get a good quality water filter or you know, like me, I, I go and collect fresh spring water directly where it comes out of the ground. You can try to minimize your use of plastic, eating organic is gonna be useful and then on top of this, the right kind of supplementation use of essential oils, herbs, different stuff like this can really help to support keeping you in that ideal range of hormone health. Of course the specifics matter, so depending on what issues are going around, you know, seeking testing or some qualified advice to help point you in the right direction, that is of course useful.

4 (27m 52s): But in general, like if you're not doing the basics, you know, trying to get good sleep, good nutrition moving well, then chances are your hormones are going to be off at some point in the future.

0 (28m 5s): Awesome. Logan, are there any last words you'd like to share to listeners about the work you do at Lost Empire Herbs?

4 (28m 14s): Yeah, I wanted to mention a little bit about alchemy. That's something that we do along with some of our herbs and I think it's useful, especially in talking about essential oils. So in alchemy, most people know of this as turning lead into gold and yeah, sure that was one part of alchemy, but really there was so much more to it. And it's not just a metaphor and an inner transformation like there is laboratory work. When you're working with herbs, it's known as sps, but with alchemy you are often separating a thing into three philosophical principles. There's the salt, the sulfur, and the mercury. And these are different than the like chemical elements, salt, sulfur and mercury.

4 (28m 56s): The sulfur is the soul. That's what it's associated with, and it is als, it is the essential oils of a plant or also the fixed oils, which is a whole other thing. We won't get into details about it, but it's interesting in that the soul is unique. You smell one plant versus another. They have completely different and unique smells to them. The mercury is the spirit and spirit and soul are different things. We get our word spirits for alcohol from this fact that you take any plant material and you add yeast, it will ferment into ethyl alcohol. It is universal, the spear is universal. So it's really interesting to see these different ways of working with the plants, which you can do in the laboratory work to combine into spheric tinctures for instance.

4 (29m 42s): And many other things besides that are different ways of separating and recombining to make a holistic hole, something that can be powerful and help to adapt and support the evolution of the human body. So I I just wanted to throw that in there because not many people have dove into alchemy and understand some of

0 (30m 4s): The Is that where the word spirits came from?

4 (30m 6s): Yeah, spirits came from that. Yep. Absolutely. 0 (30m 9s): I never even thought about 4 (30m 10s): That's the spirit of the plan. Fascinating. 0 (30m 13s): Love it, love it. Well, I know you said we wouldn't get into details about, I think you used the term fixed soul. Is that Yeah. Did I hear that right? About the essential oils that fixed sulfur? Yeah. Okay. Can we dive into that just a little and then we'll, and then we'll go to our closing questions.

4 (30m 30s): Yeah. So there are kind of two directions getting more fixed, that is more material and getting more volatile. That is spiritualizing. So the essential oils, and this is why you go out into the forest and you can smell the forest or diffuse the essential oils and they're through the air and I can smell 'em. These are the volatile oils that will just separate off. If you make tea with a plant, you, you probably know this, you wanna cover that because that will keep the essential oils in there versus them vaporizing off. That is that volatile sulfur component that is easy to spiritualize. The fixed sulfur isn't necessarily essential oils, but other components that are along with that sulfur principle within the body of the plant that can be worked with in a variety of ways that may involve calin and other extraction methods of the plant.

4 (31m 22s): So the, the essential oils aren't the only component of the, the sulfur within the plant, if that makes sense.

0 (31m 29s): Yeah, that's so fascinating. Logan, this has been so much fun. Thank you so much for coming on and, and sharing this work that you're doing with us and breaking down these different aspects of, of herbs and herbalism. Before you go, we always love to ask our guests a couple closing questions, and the first is, what's one or two self-care practices you try to do every day to stay healthy?

4 (31m 58s): I'll mention exercise and specifically strength training. There's a variety of different means of exercising and first and foremost, find something you enjoy doing because, well, you won't do it if you don't enjoy it. So that is very useful. But I would encourage people to get into some form of strength training because that really does so much for the body. Like strength is kind of a, a master principle of health and vitality. That endurance and flexibility while important don't seem to have quite that same bang for your buck. And you can, you can build strength in five to 10 minutes, like it doesn't have to take hour long workouts. So that's a very important component of what I do and you know, obviously what led me to polling firetrucks.

0 (32m 43s): That's great. Well, I, I love too, that little reminder you said about it only takes, you know, five, five to 10 minutes. It, it doesn't have to be these hours long workouts. I think that's really important. Like micro workouts work, that's, it's okay. Yeah,

4 (32m 56s): I, I tell people if I had to, that's

0 (32m 59s): All they can do.

4 (32m 59s): Yeah. If I had to spend an hour on a treadmill at a gym, I wouldn't wanna work out either, so I don't do that.

0 (33m 5s): Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well finally, what's just one thing that we should all ditch completely and replace with something healthier today?

4 (33m 16s): I'll mention something that is related to what I said before. An actual, an actual thing that I ditched recently and replaced. I was using this floss that was glide floss just cuz my wife got it. And then I found out that this, the reason this was so easy to move in the teeth was it used pf OAS or polyfluorinated chemicals, which are forever chemicals, which have a bunch of endocrine disrupting and cancer causing effects. I was like, oh, I definitely don't want that in my body. So I got floss that even though it doesn't glide through the teeth just as well because of those slippery chemicals, it is much more natural and healthier. And then I'm not also polluting my body nor the environment by investing in this stuff.

4 (33m 58s): So that's just, yeah, a small thing. That's the thing about these chemicals, we don't realize how pervasive they are, how just about everywhere they happen to be.

0 (34m 6s): Yeah, exactly. Well, I some, there's something about the oral care industry as well that seems particularly blind to that correlation between chemicals and your body. I, I don't know if you've made that

4 (34m 20s): Observation. I think every industry is like that. They're kinda all corrupted and yeah, pointing in the wrong direction these days, unfortunately.

0 (34m 27s): I know, but with the thing with me, it's like it's going in your mouth. Like how more obvious could you be about like, I'm putting this directly in my body, right? But oh, people are like, well, you know, you, you swish and spit or whatever. I'm like, well, I don't think it works that way. Well anyway, Logan, this has been so much fun and I'm sure there's lots of people who are going to wanna reach out and check out your site, lost empire herbs.com. What's the best way for people to reach you or get started in your world?

4 (34m 58s): Yeah, definitely head on over to the website. It's a treasure trove of information that you can find about health in general as well of, of course the herbs. I'll also point people to lost empire herbs.com/pdf. There you can download a report on performance herbalism where I dive a bit deeper into this topic, what it is, and then how you can be thinking along the lines of, you know, I want this effect in my life. Can I find an herb that helps support it? And yes, you can.

0 (35m 26s): Awesome. Thanks again, Logan, for coming onto the show today and sharing your wisdom with the essential oil revolution. We appreciate you.

4 (35m 34s): Thanks for having me.

0 (35m 37s): The essential oil revolution is created by me Samantha Lee Wright. For show notes swag, d i y recipes or more, visit our website@revolutionoilspodcast.com. If you're looking to get started in the exciting world of essential oils, I recommend our free video series called free oil course.com. It's short, it's sweet, and it teaches you everything you need to know about how to use essential oil safely and effectively. That's free oil course.com. We'll catch you here next week. In the meantime, keep on learning, keep on discovering, and most importantly, keep on treating yourself well.

0 (36m 21s): You are worth it.

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