The name Tisserand has been at the forefront of the modern essential oil movement for decades. In today’s episode we dive into the Institute, their research, and how they’ve evolved over time. 

Hana is the co-founder and COO of Tisserand Institute, an online education platform for all things essential oil. She facilitates brand-neutral, evidence-based classes that have been taken by thousands of professionals and enthusiasts from all over the world. 

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0 (39s): Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm your host, Samantha Lee. Right? And on this program, we tend to talk a lot about essential oil culture for anyone who's been awaken on the internet for the past decade knows that essential oils can become quite a loaded topic. It can cause tension between family members. It can cause a lot of tension on the internet and a lot of the spurs from differing opinions and differing backgrounds on how essential oils should be used, taught, and practice in clinical settings today, we get to address some of that tension and some of the myths surrounding different cultural backgrounds in essential oils.

0 (1m 22s): By having a representative from the Tisserand Institute on our show, the discern Institute has been around really since the beginning of the modern day essential oil movement. Robert Tisserand the founder of the Institute wrote the first ever English language book on the topic of essential oils called the art of aromatherapy. In 1977. Today we get to talk to his wife, Hannah Tisserand and dive into the roots of the <inaudible> Institute and how they've evolved over the years, we dive into their research-based models and talk about some of the challenges behind bringing evidence-based content to the essential oil world. You'll hear tons of fascinating factoids and tips on essential oils in today's episode, that's in a minute, but first let's pull a recipe out of our DIY dugout.

0 (2m 13s): Today's recipe comes from Julia and Nique in Buffalo, New York Julia's recipe is called chill and ground to make the chill and ground recipe you'll need 10 drops, frankincense, 10 drops, valor, and 10 drops, orange essential oil, simply add to a rollerball and top with a carrier oil to enjoy. Thanks for your recipe, Julia, if you have your own recipe, you'd like to submit to our dugout, email it to us at DIY at revolution oils, podcast.com. When you do you're automatically entered in our monthly giveaways where you can win a bottle of orange essential oil and our ebook chock full of our favorite essential oil recipes.

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0 (6m 23s): Well, I am here with Hannah Tisserand, who is the co-founder and COO of Tisserand Institute in online education platform for all things essential oils, she facilitates brand neutral evidence-based classes that have been taken by thousands of professionals and enthusiasts from all over the world. Hannah, it is such an honor to have you here on the show I'm so I'm super, super excited about this episode. I have so many questions I want to ask you. So thank you for taking the time to be with us here today. How are you?

5 (6m 56s): I'm very well, thank you. And I'm very excited to be here with you, Sam.

0 (7m 0s): So the reason I'm just beyond excited about this interview is the Tisserand Institute is, is legendary. I mean, it's been around well, Robert Tisserand has been really pushing essential oils to the foreground in our culture since the seventies. I mean, he's one of the fathers of modern day aroma therapy, you know, but I'm going to have you share that story a little bit more in depth about the Institute and really how it came to be.

5 (7m 27s): So, as you said, we've been around for a long time. Robert, my husband and the founder and principal of the design Institute has, as you said, he's been in the field since the seventies. He wrote the first English book, English language book on essential oils called the art of chromotherapy, which was published in 1977, I think. And since then he's been in the field, he's done everything there is to do with essential oils, really including teaching. So he founded the first design Institute, which was a physical school in London that was active in the eighties and nineties.

5 (8m 16s): And that was a school for sort of full on aroma therapy practitioner training. So we learned about essential oils, but you also learned your anatomy. You learned some massage techniques, you learn the skills of counseling because it was focused on one-on-one client profession. And many, many people went through that training, but it was a, it was a physical space and it was focused on slightly different aspects of teaching and learning about essential oils than we're focused now.

0 (8m 51s): Yeah. What are the biggest differences now versus then?

5 (8m 55s): Oh, well then it was really focused on, okay, we're going to make you into an aromatherapist understanding as a person who uses essential oils within their one-on-one consultation practice, and we'll teach you everything that you need to know, which also included some business skills. And it was more geared towards that practical aspect, including practical tests. So that's one of my favorite things about the previous discern Institute is that when they were doing the finals, they would just grab people off the street and tell them, Hey, do you

0 (9m 31s): Love it?

5 (9m 33s): And that's how they tested. If, if the students got the required skills to be practitioners. And so that, that unfortunately closed in the early two thousands. And Robert moved to the United States and started focusing on teaching in the form of sort of webinars and Maureen from informative kind of focus. And in 2014, he decided to research direct the design Institute in now a fully virtual forum because when you're lecturing and when you're traveling, and this is obviously before everyone went virtual.

5 (10m 14s): So if you lecture in person, you have a limited way. You can get maybe 50 if you'd like you hundred, if you're very, very lucky, you can have to get 200 people on a single event. Once, once you move it online, sky's the limit. So in 2014, he decided to start with a series of webinars and they kind of morphed into what we have now, which is more focused on the essential oils themselves. So we focus on giving everyone who's using essential oils, all the information they need to use them.

5 (10m 54s): So while before it was a sort of more holistic practice in that we, or the previous design Institute focus on holistic approach to the person to client. I say that right now, we have a holistic approach to the essential oils themselves to the tool, because there are so many people that are using them within so many different applications. You still have your practitioners who use them in one-on-one client consultations. You've got nurses, you've got physical therapists, but you also have beauticians. You have people who formulate their own cosmetics. You have people who use them within perfumery, and you have the millions and millions of people who use them for themselves and their family members who don't necessarily want to open a practice.

0 (11m 45s): Right. But they want to know they want to have answers. They want to be able to use them safely, and they want to learn more about the different essential oils. So I love that that holistic approach to the oils themselves, I think, is a brilliant approach, especially in this, you know, the past decade when essential oils have exploded. And there's so many people that are now aware of them and using them, and that's something I know coming from the British background. Do, is it ever like a culture clash or do you ever find it difficult to navigate the slightly more liberal use of essential oils and a lot of cultural settings, especially in America versus the more conservative, like roots that, that I understand the Tisserand Institute comes from.

5 (12m 35s): I think that's a bit of a myth that we'll be kind of fighting for for a while though. There's a sort of more conservative, British chromotherapy, and then there's the more liberal French or American school. It's just different approaches within those cultures. You have a liberal approach in the UK, does like you have conservative approach in France. And what I think is a big difference, and they've always been focused on international audiences. So our students come mostly from the us, but we have people coming from Asia, from Europe, not just the UK all over Europe, Australia. So those are different contexts.

5 (13m 16s): And what is usually different is how much both internal and external regulation there is for the use of essential oils. So Canada will look differently to the United States because they have more regulation in what you can say about natural products and what you can, how you can practice to people. European union will be different. France will be different. So it's more about the framework rather than the, sort of what happens on the ground. And it's more about the professional layer of use of essential oils. That includes like if you're making products and trying to sell them in terms of people using essential oils, I found that the situation is fairly similar everywhere.

5 (14m 1s): We all want to be responsible for our own health. We all like to be our own advocates. And we all like to look at ways where we can help ourselves, especially since the medical profession has not had a good track record of listening to the patients, which unfortunately is universal to an extent it's changing to our general practitioner here recommended essential oils at one point. But I think that on the sort of ground on the ground with the people that are enthusiastic about essential oils, there aren't that many differences.

0 (14m 42s): Okay. Well thank you for clarifying cause that definitely a misperception. I think that I've carried with me for sure. I want to ask you about science supporting side of the discern Institute. You, there's a huge focus there for evidence-based information for the effective use of essential oils, which I imagine isn't always easy because when you look at, you know, scientific research, there's a lot of funding that needs to come in for that kind of thing. There's, there's a lot more constrictions. So it's a very, it's a very noble, I think mission that the Tisserand Institute has to do that.

0 (15m 23s): What do you feel like is the core of essential oil research happening right now? And what are you learning from that?

5 (15m 31s): The course that there's not enough happening as you've noted and yeah, finances are a big, are a big issue. So we have been seeing a lot of we've we've been seeing a lot of in silico studies, which is a relatively new area, which is basically a computer modeling and it doesn't cost much

0 (15m 52s): Say that term again. What was that?

5 (15m 53s): <inaudible> as in like you have in vitro, which is in glass, you have in vivo, which is in living preachers, usually animals and in silico means that you're using Silicon based machines, computers just to do, just to do some models. So that was a relatively new thing to explore the more molecular things that are happening with essential oils, but that's again, removed from the clinical evidence, which is what we wanted to see. We want to see essentially as being used by humans, there is some more, it depends on whether there is an interested party in, in investing.

5 (16m 33s): So for example, there's a fair bit of evidence happening on lavender, essential oil capsules for anxiety. And now this is a product, the essential oil itself, the composition of the essential oil is standardized by this one German company. And they are funding research for these essential oil, capsules, and anxiety. And we've seen a lot happening in that arena in clinical research, they have compared these to lorazepam, for example, they have tested it for whether it's addicted, addictive or not.

5 (17m 15s): So that's where the money is. And that's where we're seeing some research. We're also seeing a lot of very small clinical studies that are happening within the practitioner side of things within clinical aroma therapy. And these are usually about pain management or palliative care. So whether it's hospice care end of life care, or kind of pain management and scientific management in cancer ward, for example. So we were seeing small studies coming from these different places that are usually adjacent to cancer care centers or work within them.

5 (17m 57s): So that's the clinical side that we're seeing. We're seeing always a lot of sort of antimicrobial microbial anti-oxidant tests done in vitro. However, those are usually not very interesting because everything virtually everything I'm talking about essential oils that has been tested has shown some degree of antimicrobial effect or some degree of anti-inflammatory effect. So we really need to take it from the, in vitro, from the creatives to the actual human being and see what's happening. Okay.

0 (18m 35s): What do you feel like are the biggest barriers for that happening?

5 (18m 39s): I think, well, one of the, one of his finances and another one is that the people who are actually using essential oils in a semi-professional professional framework like healthcare workers, or as practitioners do not always see the value in taking really detailed case studies because a clinical study, yes, you get as many people as, as you can really. But a case study is also a valid input to see what is happening to see if something has an effect. And I'm not talking, talking about anecdotal evidence, like, you know, I felt bad.

5 (19m 23s): I took essential oil. Now I feel good. That's not enough information I'm talking about taking detailed notes of this is what was happening. These are all the interventions that I did. And this is what happened in a day in day one in day two and day three. So we note everything that you did and that you can do that yourself as well. If you're using essential oils to treat anything that you're dealing with, just make sure that you just don't post. I took it. I took an oil and it helps say, okay, I took, I put three drops in my inhaler and inhale it five times a day.

5 (20m 5s): And I felt immediately this, this, this just really detailed let's call it journaling possibly for the experience. And if the practitioners do that, if the healthcare workers do that, and if we have that kind of evidence of what's happening on the ground, then it would be easier to move it to a big study. So that's, that's one of the barriers that I think we can all help overcome other than, you know, try and fund research. If yeah,

0 (20m 38s): Well, it's to clarify that point, you're making, are you saying that particularly practitioners, nurses, counselors, you know, anyone who's dealing with clients on any physical or emotional level, if they're incorporating essential oils into their practice, they can actually take detailed journal notes of this and, and that can somehow contribute to more research being funded for essential oils.

5 (21m 6s): I'm okay. I'm not sure it will absolutely lead to more research being funded, but it will build a body of evidence that we can work with.

0 (21m 15s): Yeah, that's really cool. Is there a specific location that's best to share that information with like publicly or on the web besides just like Facebook?

5 (21m 27s): Well, they're they're aroma therapy journals, so they're kind of like medical journals for the aroma therapy world where you can publish, we can get published case studies. So that's one space for sure. And just kind of publish it on everyone's websites. So you are a practitioner, so you can publish case studies showing off, okay, this is the, this is the intervention that we did. And these were the results that can help

0 (22m 2s): At that feels very grassroots seed in me. I really liked that the fact that people can really contribute in these different ways that really can make a difference. If I'm understanding correctly, to just be really detailed about your notes, you know, what, what oil, what species, what brand, how much, what time, what day, what circumstances, you know, all those things.

5 (22m 22s): Yeah, absolutely. The more information we have, the easier it is to say, yes, it was probably the essential oil and let's look at it again. Let's try to replicate it, which is how scientific thinking were exploited. Just have science work. You, you see that something is happening. You describe exactly what is happening and then you can try and replicate that situation to see, okay, this was actually an effect or no, this was just a coincidence or this happened possibly because the person was doing something else as well. So that that's how science starts. That's basically, you know?

5 (23m 3s): Yeah. As you say, it's, it's grassroots science and the more information you have about the case, the, the easier it is to then say, okay, yeah, it was probably the essential oil that had effect. And let's, let's see if it happens again. If we use this, the essential oil in a similar context,

0 (23m 21s): I love that. One thing I love the description of science is trying to prove your colleagues wrong on a daily basis. That's sort of the way science works. There's a, there's a thesis, there's a hypothesis. Someone's proposed it. They say, Hey, I think if you do this, then this will happen. Or here's how the world works. And then your job as a scientist is to go in and try to prove them wrong.

5 (23m 46s): And yeah. And, and partly try to prove yourself wrong.

0 (23m 49s): Exactly. 5 (23m 50s): Most exciting things in science to say, oh, wow. Yeah. I didn't think that this was, this is different. Yeah.

0 (23m 58s): I love that. So in th there's obviously been a ton of research in the essential oil world and so much more that needs to happen and should happen, or are people like me really wished what happened. But as far as the research that has taken place already, what are some of the most well-researched essential oils out there. And, and do you have any kind of favorite facts that have come out of that research that you like to share?

5 (24m 24s): Oh, okay. Well, I already mentioned lavender and anxiety, so there's a, there's a lot of research there. We've been working on putting together and, and evidence-based database, and we've kind of looked at of essential oils and kind of look at where the evidence is, tea, tree oil. Wow. There's a lot about teacher oil. It's not the best smelling one, but it's, it's probably an essential that has been researched in many different contexts and is probably best known as the thing you reach for when you're dealing with acne or any kind of bacterial overgrowth.

5 (25m 9s): And that's, by the way, because the Australian association of Teatree growers has been funding that research and has been pushing T3 to the world.

0 (25m 20s): Oh, that makes sense. I mean, if you have a, like a national crop, that could be a really good export and really good economic resource for your country, to me, it makes a lot of sense that yeah. Why don't we put some funding behind really proving that all of these wonderful things people say about Teatree are true.

5 (25m 36s): Exactly. And especially if you haven't all, that's not necessarily going to make it big in perfumery, like rose does not need to have that kind of research backing because rose smells amazing. Everybody wants to have the oil in their perfume, so you don't need to back it up with you don't need to come up with more reasons to get it, but with bit of a different story. That's cool.

0 (26m 0s): So at T tree, there's a lot of correlations between that. And acne has been, that's kind of one of the aspects that have been well-researched and proven. That's cool. Yeah.

5 (26m 12s): Then we've got peppermint is mental and peppermint. Very, well-researched, it's a great oil to reach for if you're experiencing itching and I'm not just talking about, have a little edge, but things like itching can be a side effect of undergoing treatment, or there's a condition in pregnancy where you have an insane intense in age. So even for severe conditions like that, you can use peppermint. You can also use peppermint for neuropathic pain. There's some research on that as well, which is basically also very intense condition that can appear either with that BTS or again, with some cancer treatments, you can get intense new neurological pain, basically have pain.

0 (27m 3s): Do you know the method that was researched for that? Was that like sub linked sublingual or

5 (27m 9s): Yeah, no, no, no. It's, it's a topical application applied to the skin where the edge or the pain is happening so that you're working with the receptors in the skin. And we kind of know very well about the mechanisms that are working.

0 (27m 24s): Yeah. I was at recently applying peppermint to my poison Ivy rash that I had the woods for anyone that knows it's one of just the most intense types of itchy ness that you could experience and the peppermint, it just helped really neutralize that, that overwhelming feeling of just like cannot stop, cannot stop itching.

5 (27m 47s): Yeah, exactly. And that's, you know, that's exactly what I'm talking about, even for, you know, super intense situations. Peppermint has been shown to have really good effects. There's also a lot of research on citruses. So I've got, you know, lemon orange, usually it's for anxiety. And usually it's inhalation that we've been seeing a lot of, and it's either anxiety or pain management combined with anxiety. So you have people who are going to undergo a surgery or a procedure like a colonoscopy or some fairly routine, but still anxiety inducing procedure.

5 (28m 30s): And they will be inhaling essential oils before the procedure to manage the anxiety. And it shows that, and there's a study coming up very soon. I'm very excited about that. One showing that it reduces the need for painkillers afterwards. So you inhale essential oils before you undergo your surgery. And it may mean that you may not need that much pain management afterwards, which I think is absolutely fascinating to see

0 (28m 59s): That is, I mean, we've talked a lot on the show with different people that work in palliative care and we're working in a nursing clinical setting and you know, the it's so fascinating on one hand, you have this research that really proves everything you're saying and proves how comforting these essential oils can be for patients in a hospital setting, especially with that anxiety going into surgery or in post in recovery. And then on the other hand, I love hearing the story it's like from the story side of things, of these nurses and these workers working with patients and how, how effective they see this working on a one-to-one basis. It's really beautiful

5 (29m 40s): And that's the situation, right? So we have, we have the effects on the ground. We see that it's working and we also have the research to back it up. So we, if you, if you come to a doctor, if you come to the hospital, you can show them both sides. If you want to introduce a room with therapy to them, and you have the backing of both the solid evidence that they like to hear and see, and the case studies and the, the stories of people that were comforted. And I have one myself and my I'm not a practitioner. I don't see clients and I'm not working with an hospital, but my grandmother had a surgery, fairly big stomach surgery, and she's prone to feeling very nauseous.

5 (30m 26s): And that's another area that's research well with essential oils is that inhaling essential oils, usually it's ginger or lemon or peppermint help with postoperative nausea. And so I made her an inhaler when I came to visit her and it helped her immediately. And that's again, you know, the research there, and then you see your grandmother thing feeling much better instantly and put that together. And that's what keeps me going in the field. Really.

0 (30m 56s): Yeah, absolutely. It makes us all fall in love with our oils, like over and over and over again. I love that. So Hannah, I wanted to ask you a, another aspect of what you do at the Tisserand Institute is safety, you know, teaching safety. And one of those things is avoiding adverse reactions to essential oils. So what are some of your best tips to help people avoid those adverse reactions to oils?

5 (31m 22s): Well, if you're using them, start, start slow. Basically you don't need to go on diluted immediately, unless you're in an emergency situation, then, you know, you've just been stung by a bee or you've just had a rash appear. So if you have time dilute, if you're putting them on your skin, think about what is the best way to use them for that particular condition that you're trying to deal with. I know that sometimes people go with, okay, I'm going to ingest for everything. But sometimes inhalation is if not, as then even more effective, I, if you have congested, sinuses, inhalation is the way to go, which is much less impact and much less risk than ingestion.

5 (32m 12s): So go slow if you don't, you know, don't, don't jump into putting essential oils all the time, every way, because, and that's one of the biggest, not misconceptions, but one of the things that people don't often realize is that essential oils are natural products. They come from nature, but we concentrate them. We take a lot of plant material and we kind of squeeze the volatile organic compounds from that material and put them in that small bubble. So they are very powerful. So my, my biggest advice would be to just kind of respect the power of essential oils, delete them if you're putting them on your skin and think about which way is the most effective for the thing that you're dealing with.

5 (32m 59s): And that should, that should really help. Fortunately, we haven't seen many fatal incidents with essential oils, so that's, that's good. That's good news.

0 (33m 12s): Have there been any,

5 (33m 14s): Well, there have been a handful in the last century and usually there've been accidental ingestion. So you would have a toddler comes across a bottle of essential oil and drinks, 10 milliliters of eucalyptus or something like that. That's, that can be a very bad situation, but yeah, I think there's like two documented that's in the last 30 years, but I'm not, you know, I'm not completely solid on the, on the statistics. It's not, you know, definitely not something we need to worry about in terms of that.

5 (33m 54s): We have seen that allergic reactions and bad sort of systemic reactions, because there is a myth that you cannot be allergic to essential oils. Your body can learn to become allergic. If you give it too much, too much of a good thing is not a great thing. So your body can start rejecting essential oils. And we've seen quite a few of those reactions, which unfortunately lead to those people, a not being able to use essential oils for a long time, it can go away, but it can take a long time and just kind of not wanting to use essential oils. Of

0 (34m 33s): Course,

5 (34m 35s): It gave you a bad reaction. Why would you want to?

0 (34m 38s): Right. Well, and even on top of that, for people that are using essential oils in that much excess typically are doing it in the hopes that it's going to help them. Right. They've been told that, you know, XYZ oil is gonna, you know, cure your ABC. And so they're like, okay, then I'm going to hit it hard. I'm going to do this. You know? And so not only can they overdo it and have this really sad reaction of causing that, that kind of long, sometimes lifelong allergy, but they're, they're so disappointed that this thing they had such hope in is now this thing that's actually bad for their body. I mean, it's really tragic.

5 (35m 19s): Yeah. Yeah. It kind of adds to the situation where you feel bad about the condition that you were trying to treat them. Now you're disappointed yet again, something that you tried. So if you can just start slow, that's something that we, we teach is just starts low. And if it doesn't work, then add to, and if it still doesn't work then adds to it. But at some point, maybe try a different strategy, either a different oil or look at holistically, what you can do for the condition.

0 (35m 50s): Can you give us some more concrete examples of, you know, what is too much? What, what, like what amount is too much in a day, especially for someone that's just starting out and what are those reasonable increase amounts to go by? Is it one drop, two drops by drops? You know?

5 (36m 11s): Well, that will, that will depend. And that's the tricky thing about anything related to risk and safety is that there's a lot at play. So will depend on the age of the person. If you have a very small child, obviously you need to be much more careful. If you have somebody who's very old and frail, then you need to be careful as well. If there are other conditions, if that person already has skin conditions, for example, then you need to be more careful. How long are you going to use the essentials for is a factor. But I mean, in terms of, and it depends on what, what are you trying to do first and foremost, are you targeting and acute situation?

5 (36m 59s): Like, let's say a beasting that you have, you have a toddler they've been running around in the yard, encountered a bee and got stung in that situation. You're not going to be worrying about, okay, do I dilute it to 1% or diluted the 3% that we have a child that's in pain. So you're going to grab whatever you have and you're going to use it because you're, you're trying to deal with an intense situation. And you're thinking about the risks, sort of secondarily, if you're trying to have your house smell beautiful, or if you're trying to help yourself go to sleep in the evening, then that's something you want to be doing.

5 (37m 38s): Long-term and that's something you don't want to be overdoing. And it's something that you can plan for and think about in a bit more calm and sort of rational manner. And in that case, maybe you put one to two drops on a tissue, put it on your pillow, and that's what you do. And that's enough. So it's really contextual. But in terms of, let's say the dilution for topical application, if you're dealing with anything that's acute and you have time to either have something pre-formulated or to get ready, usually you don't need to go above 10% total for intense like pain situation.

5 (38m 21s): If you're taking

0 (38m 22s): Oil 90% dilation, or

5 (38m 25s): It's kind of whatever, whatever it is that you're using as a, as a medium, I like to give example of Mrs. A infection, which is resistance, staying up with serious strain of bacteria that

0 (38m 41s): Can south, we call it Marsa 5 (38m 43s): Marissa, Marissa. And that's one of the areas from a teacher has been researched and they've been using 5%,

0 (38m 51s): 5% topically,

5 (38m 55s): If 5% of an essential oil can kill that kind of bug. There are very few situations in which you absolutely have to go above that.

0 (39m 6s): Yeah. So in the context earlier, those two scenarios, the toddler that gets stung by a bee, or you want your house to smell good, or I guess three situations, and you're also trying to help yourself fall asleep easier. I'm just so curious. What would be those oils that you would grab for and how much would you use in those situations?

5 (39m 27s): A photo for the toddler? I would definitely go with peppermint initially. That would be it. And it's, that's based on what we've already talked about in terms of the research. It's also based on personal experience, where in the summer we would be given toothpaste as the first case or for a beach thing before anything else they grabbed, which was precisely because there's spectrum in there, there's mental there. And that helps with that for the house smelling good. That would depend right now our house smells like roses. Cause Robert has been collected rose pedals and uses the mess.

5 (40m 8s): Pokery some sprays, some clever blend of rose geranium and something else on mature. So we have that kind of diffused rose smell, but that will depend on the mood. And in terms of helping to sleep, lavender is usually the one that's recommended. However, whatever works for you is going to help in that situation, whatever essential oil puts you in that relaxed mood. And you can even create a blend just for yourself, whenever you feel relaxed and sleepy and just, okay, it's the end of the day I can switch off. Now you can create a signature blend for that, and that will help you give to sleep.

5 (40m 52s): But in terms of research, lavender is usually used sometimes, but Julie, I think, and we had a research spotlight recently, while on that recently on a study was a Japanese study. They call it a study on stress levels and sleep quality of working women. It was basically women that were full-time employed and I don't remember the blend, but there was definitely the 11 during there. And I think there was geranium.

0 (41m 30s): Gotcha. Speaking of your research spotlights, I will say, this is my favorite part of your website, the Tisserand institute.org. There's a tab up at the top that says research. And you have just story after story. Well, not stories that articles after articles of these researched things about essential oils, like right up right now, there's one up called essential oils and Corona virus. And there's another one called olfactory training and recovery of smell loss and just really beautifully compiled research articles that go through it. It doesn't read like an opinion blog, right? Like I might personally have gotten really just kind of over the, the, the blog aspect of essential oils where people say like, oh, you know, here's the top 10 benefits of peppermint and here's the thing that'll cure your thing.

0 (42m 23s): I dunno, this is very like, here's the facts. Here's what we know. Here's what we don't know. Here's where we could learn more. And not only can the reader really get a lot of practical information out of it, but also really evidence-based non sensationalized answers, which I think is what the internet as a whole really could use a lot more of. So I just want to give that a shout out to certain institute.org research tab and thank you for the hard work that's being put into compiling those articles. Cause I know it's not easy.

5 (43m 1s): Thank you for seeing that and thank you for appreciating it because it's, sometimes it feels like it's, it's an impossible job because on one hand, we're trying to put together the research that is there so that, you know, when somebody comes, who's completely cynical about essential oils and basically says, well, it's, you know, nonsense that we have the evidence for them. But also as you say, the internet sensationalizes, everything. So kind of trying to tame down the sensationalism of, okay, this essential oil will cure everything you off kind of walking the middle path and not always having a clear answer is pretty much on brand for us, you know, as you've already experienced it firsthand, if you give me a question, I will say, well, it depends

0 (43m 55s): Exactly it is. It's a fine line. You know, and as the host of this show, I find it it's a fine line to walk between getting people really excited about essential oils and not overly fearful of them because when you're using them just at home, you know, not in a clinical setting, but just at home. And you know, I want people to be able to experiment, you know, on themselves, it's their body, right. They can do what they need, but I want them to be safe. You know, I don't want them to overdo their essential oils. Like you said, you know, going slow. I always say go low and slow, use one drop at first, right. And go low and slow.

0 (44m 35s): And when you understand those basic safety tips, you know, like let's not put citrus oils on in the sun. Let's not, you know, overuse with infants or small pets, or if you're on medications, like there's all these kinds of caveats that come along with safety, but it's not rocket science and it's not that complicated. And I do want people to have to enjoy the experience and add, you know, be their best own advocates for, Hey, like I've got this, this problem, whether it's a headache or a tummy ache or they can't sleep, or they're anxious. Like I want them to feel empowered to go to their oil shelf and say, Hey, you know, let me try this out.

0 (45m 16s): And then, but I also want to be a responsible educator and not have people make mistakes where they end up, you know, having a rash or an allergy or, you know, overusing something or damaging their liver, you know, all these kinds of scary sides. So it's a fine line. Like I said, the middle path is,

5 (45m 33s): But at the same time, empowering through knowledge is an incredible experience as an educator. You know? So you, you come from a situation where people think that they want, like, just tell me what to do. Just tell me what to do. I'm going to do it to them. People feeling confident in reaching out to their own toolbox and figuring out what to do with the knowledge that they have and with the confidence that they're not going to do anything bad. And also with the confidence that if something bad happens, they have the understanding of why it happened and know how to fix it.

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0 (48m 11s): So I can pick your brain some more. So we always love to ask our guests, these closing questions, just to get a little glimpse into what our daily lives are, are looking like when we're trying to live a health conscious life. And the first is what's just one or two self-care practices that you try to do every day to stay healthy.

5 (48m 31s): I drank a lot of tea, unsweetened, different types of teas, green teas, sometimes black teas, sometimes oolong teas, herbal teas. That's my, that's the one thing that I will not let go of whatever is happening. I will always have my tea as, as a form of hydration. It's eco-friendly because I just have loose leaves and cups and it's, it's a ritual for me. So it's both mentally restorative and, you know, hydration and all the wonderful things of, of, of teas.

0 (49m 8s): I love it. It's very British of you, but you're not, you don't sound British. What is here?

5 (49m 14s): People who are saying that, but yeah, no.

0 (49m 16s): Well, I can tell, you're not even though you are in line with where you're married to a Brit, but, but your accent, it doesn't drink tea.

5 (49m 26s): I'm the tea drinker. So that's, that's one self care. The thing that I will always do and physical exercise, especially since my work is 99% mentally focused then going out and exercising the body and getting out of the head and into the body is really helpful to

0 (49m 49s): Yeah. And finally, Hannah, what's one thing that we should all ditch completely and replace with something healthier today.

5 (49m 58s): Okay. Well this is getting to be a very today focused because that's how I feel. Right? Right now I would ditch most social media, the social media that does not bring you joy and read a book instead.

0 (50m 15s): I love it. Well, this has been absolutely fabulous Hannah. And for those that want to be more involved in the Tisserand Institute, where's the bus place for them to go. And what's the next step for them to take?

5 (50m 29s): Well, definitely check out our website, which is Tisserand institute.org built orangy, where we have a lot of material that's available just for free, like the research articles and our other blog posts and some video spotlights on some hot issues. And if you decide, you want to learn more, you can course with our courses. And I also want to give a shout out to our social media manager, Rachel, who's doing a great job with our Instagram account, where you will see the research highlights as well in a easily digestible and charitable form, just like Instagram likes it.

5 (51m 14s): So that's the one social media I don't want you to do 0 (51m 18s): So long as it brings you joy,

5 (51m 20s): As long as it brings you joy and learning. So the district instituted Instagram page and our website are probably the best resources to start.

0 (51m 29s): Great. Well, thank you so much, Hannah, for spending your time with us here today and for sharing your wisdom with the essential oil revolution. We appreciate you.

5 (51m 37s): Thank you so much. I think it was a great pleasure.

0 (51m 42s): The essential oil revolution is created by me, Samantha Lee. Right? Thank you so much for tuning in and thank you from the bottom of my heart. For those who've taken the time to leave us a rating or review wherever you listen to your podcasts and share us with your friends, it really does help make the show more find-able for those who need this knowledge, we'll catch you here next week. In the meantime, keep on learning, keep on discovering. And most importantly, keep on treating yourself. Well, you are worth it.

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