371: Alleviating Allergies with Ellen Goldsmith
Today, we have the privilege of interviewing Ellen Goldsmith, a licensed and board-certified acupuncturist, Chinese herbalist, and author who specializes in alleviating seasonal and perennial allergies. With years of experience in the field, Ellen has gained extensive knowledge about the unique perspective that Chinese medicine offers in treating allergies.
Ellen’s book, "Nutritional Healing with Chinese Medicine: +175 Recipes for Optimal Health," has become a valuable resource for individuals seeking to incorporate the nourishing wisdom of Chinese medicine into their daily lives.
During our conversation, we explore the fundamental differences between seasonal and perennial allergies, and discuss some Chinese medicine approaches to finding relief. Ellen unravels the intricate connection between our diet and overall health, revealing how specific foods, herbs, and spices can influence our well-being and alleviate allergic symptoms.
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0 (43s): Hi, this is Samantha Lee, right, your host of the Essential Oil Revolution. Thanks so much for tuning in with us today. On today's episode, we dive into the topic of allergies, seasonal and perennial and Chinese medicine. For those that have listened to the show for many years, you'll know that I have been a long time allergy sufferer. I've gone through different ups and downs in my journey, and essential oils have been a huge part in helping me on that journey as well. Lavender, lemon and peppermint are my trio of goodness that helps me get through really tough days. I'll either put them in a capsule with some olive oil or drink it like lemonade, diffuse it.
0 (1m 26s): However you wanna get that into your body, it it helps a lot. But as any good natural help practitioner will tell you, allergies are a complicated beast. There's really no one solution that's gonna fit all. And even a solution that fits one person and solves their allergies for a little while might not last forever. And that's due to internal factors and external factors. That's why I loved talking to Ellen Goldsmith, our guest today, who has been working in the nutritional, healing and Chinese medicine space for many, many, many years. Her perspective on this is very holistic and very helpful.
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0 (7m 9s): By the way, today's audio is not up to our typical standards. I don't know what was going on with my microphone today, but it is clearly not up to my usual standards. Thanks for bearing through. Well, I'm here with Ellen Goldsmith, who is a licensed and board certified acupuncturist and Chinese herbalist and author of the book, nutritional Healing with Chinese Medicine, 175 plus Recipes for Optimal Health, a book to help people understand and put the nourishing wisdom of Chinese medicine into everyday lives. She is senior faculty of the National University of Natural Medicine's, college of Classical Chinese Medicine, and the Academy of Integrative Health and Medicine, teaching Chinese dietetics.
0 (7m 55s): She can be reached@pearlnaturalhealth.com. Welcome Ellen. How are you?
4 (8m 1s): I'm good, Samantha. Good to be with you today.
0 (8m 4s): That is quite a bio there. It seems like your you, your life is entrenched in Chinese medicine. How long have you been working in that field and really what drew you to it?
4 (8m 15s): Well, I've been in the field for about 30 years and what drew me to it was just trying to work and build my own energy. Years ago in New York, I was a dancer and I was really suffering from low energy and I was going to chiropractors and I was a lousy vegetarian and I would ask my friends, I'd say, Hey, you know, my energy's not good. What should I do? What should I do? And a bunch of people told me to go to this one woman. By the sixth time I heard that woman's name, suzuko Yamamoto. I said, okay, I'm going. And I went to her, she was a shsu therapist and ABI teacher. ABIs is a way of eating out of Japan, started by Georgia Salwa, where you're eating mostly plant-based, some fish, whole grains, beans, et cetera.
4 (9m 2s): And so I went to her and she gave me a treatment, shasu treatment, barefoot shsu, which is a style of accu pressure using your feet and my body. I just woke up, I felt as if I had been born again of some sort, not in a religious sense, but in a physical sense. And we sat down and she said to me, Hey, you're not really eating very well. You're eating too much fruit. You're not eating enough vegetables. And she gave me an outline and I went ahead and I did it because I felt so good. And then I came back and I said to her, Hey, will you teach me? She said, no, go study macro biotics. So I went and studied macro robotics. I learned all about cooking energetics of food. I learned about shasu, yin and yang, and I was, I was hooked.
4 (9m 48s): I, I just felt so good and I just kept practicing and feeling better and better and wanting to share it with people. And then I just kept kind of following my own curiosity, which led me to the study of Chinese medicine. And then I formalized it and here I am.
0 (10m 3s): There you are. Well, I'm excited on the, on the list of many, many topics that you are proficient. And one of the things that I really wanted to talk to you about and pick your brain on was allergies. Purely for selfish reasons. I've suffered from allergies my entire life and I feel like I'm always on a rollercoaster of something working and then all of a sudden it stops working and then this other thing starts working. And so sort of a rollercoaster of different approaches, both, you know, allopathic and eastern and essential oils and you know, all the things. So I wanna dive into that. What's your, I mean, do you have an allergy story? Have you been a long time sufferer and then we'll dive into just your approach to allergies with your patients?
4 (10m 47s): Well, fortunately I'm not a long time sufferer, but I was, and I was, I grew up in New York and I had terrible hay fever and allergy to cats. And at some point my mid twenties, I gave up dairy and that was a game changer for me. My allergies basically went away. That was very, very curious. So I started investigating what does food have to do with it? What does diet have to do with it? And so that's how I started.
0 (11m 18s): Very interesting. So tell me the difference, there's kind of two types of allergies, seasonal and perennial. What are the difference between those two?
4 (11m 26s): So perennial allergies are those things that people are, have allergic reactions to no matter what time of year it is. And the common ones are certain foods, pet dander, dust mold, dust mites, medications, things like that. And it just, those things will just set people off. And seasonal allergies, it's in the name, you know, when the spring season starts, which can be late winter, even when trees are starting to bud and the wind is pulling up pollen into the air, that's when people start to suffer. But the symptoms are the same because the body perceives a, a seemingly harmless substance as an an invader and attacking the body.
4 (12m 15s): So in an effort to get that invader out, the body starts to produce mucus, which is a great vehicle for getting stuff out. Except what happens is you've got a runny nose, you've had itchy eyes, you know, you feel foggy in your head, you're congested. Some people get headaches, some people are tired. People just feel plain lousy.
0 (12m 36s): Yeah, I've been there for sure. So what's the approach that Chinese medicine has on allergies versus, you know, what we're kind of used to in Western society where let's give them antihistamines and steroids?
4 (12m 50s): Yeah, so the thing about Chinese medicine is that we always say one disease, 10,000 cures. So it's very individualized. We look at the person in the context of their life, their activities, their digestion. Not just what they eat, but how they digest foods. You know, why are some people allergic and others aren't, right? That's a really big question. Yeah. So we, you know, we have treatments that can help calm the symptoms, but we're always, which is the branch of the problem, but we're always looking to see what is the root of the problem, you know, what's the internal terrain, you know, so we wanna address your stress levels, your vitality levels, your sleep, which all affect immune system function, digestion, the foods you're eating, some foods are inflammatory, others are anti-inflammatory.
4 (13m 38s): So that's kind of where we start.
0 (13m 41s): What type, what's some examples of some inflammatory versus anti-inflammatory foods?
4 (13m 47s): Well, a standard American diet is pretty inflammatory. You know, it's refined carbohydrates, it's high meat, processed, processed meats, a lot of dairy products, food additives and processed foods, these kinds of things. Fried foods are, you know, these are hard on the system and they promote inflammation. And inflammation shows up in our bodies in many different ways. It can be digestive bloating, you know, it could be constipation, it can be high cholesterol, it can be hypertension, it can be diabetes, it can be weight, weight gain.
4 (14m 27s): So those are inflammatory foods. Anti-inflammatory foods are those foods you find around the parameters of your supermarket. They're called fruits and vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts and seeds, grass fed meats, fish, these kinds of things. Some dairy, some people can tolerate goat or sheep, dairy, you know, in smaller quantities. So this is what you wanna do. You wanna have some fish which has a very high in omega threes, which we know are anti-inflammatory, dark leafy green vegetables, chock full of minerals, detoxifying, heat clearing, et cetera.
4 (15m 7s): And in my book I have a, a bunch of recipes that I think are, are really beneficial too. You can make teas with peppermint is quite good. I know in essential oil treatment people will use peppermint oil. Peppermint opens up the nose, it clears heat, it's calming to the body. So I have a you, we also have nettles. Nettles is a very common orb harvested around the world, stinging nettles. So you don't wanna pick it with your hands, you wanna use a scissor and some gloves. But it's very high in iron. It's a natural antihistamine. So drinking nettles tea, just plain, you can get that in sache, you know, tea bags or I have a recipe where I use nettles with rose flour, which is very calming and good for the heart, good for the liver.
4 (16m 1s): And crim Chinese crim tea, which we use a lot in Chinese medicine to clear heat. It's good for the nose, good for the eyes. So kind of that combination can really take down inflammation in the body.
0 (16m 16s): I used to live by a stream that grew just so many nettles and it was just fabulous. I could just go out and harvest some nettles and I would cook it just like you would cook spinach and I would eat it just like that and ugh, I miss those days. I need to go find myself a new, a new nettle bed.
4 (16m 33s): You do. I mean it's a great, I also have a recipe for nettles and asparagus risotto. So both of those are heat clearing and very simple, very nice tasting, fresh tasting. You're right, it's that spinach. It's very enriching. And the broth, even when you cook the nettles, just drinking the broth straight or putting some extra vegetables in it and drinking it as a a, a foundation for a soup is just marvelous.
0 (16m 60s): Yeah, it's fabulous. So relate this to essential oils for me Ellen. Have you used many essential oils in your practice with Chinese medicine or anything in particular with allergies that you could share with us?
4 (17m 14s): Well, I do use some essential oils. I'm not a heavy essential oil practitioner, but the essence of essential oils is quite frankly, it's the aroma, right? And it's the aroma has a medicinal effect. My Chinese herbal medicine teachers would always tell me, you know, when you cook the herbs, in the old days when we cooked the raw herbs, the smell actually is part of the medicine. So using that, like you using lip eucalyptus oil, we'll I'll use that on some lung acupuncture points on the front and the back to help open up the lungs. Eucalyptus has that very strong aromatic smell that basically opens up the nose and opens up the lungs, aroma goes into our body.
4 (18m 1s): We can smell it, we can eat it, we can bathe in it. You know, these are many different ways. So eucalyptus is a, a marvelous one. You don't wanna take that internally of course, but you could put a few drops in your shower and stand in the shower and really get that invigoration from the eucalyptus oil.
0 (18m 19s): I do that pepper it all the time, like when my nose is running, especially I just love to drip some on like the far end of my shower so it doesn't drain right away. And oh, it's such a great way to work, to wake up and also to get your lungs working and your nose breathing.
4 (18m 33s): Absolutely. 0 (18m 34s): Everything opened up. It's lovely.
4 (18m 36s): Yes. And peppermint, like you can drink it. Yes, you can also use peppermint oil internally. A lot of oils you wanna watch out, you wanna make sure you, you don't wanna take a lot of essential oils internally, you wanna double check first, but peppermint oil, you can put in some hot water, you know, you can put in ginger is very strong essential oil. I haven't used it, but it's very warming. Using that with peppermint in a tea can help, help open the nose, help regulate the digestion, et cetera. Orange peel, which orange essential oil has a lovely, lovely smell and that is a very nice thing to use again for, in Chinese medicine we use say, to regulate the chi, just to help you feel more in balance, more in flow.
4 (19m 24s): So that's a way to use it as well. There are some acupuncturists who will use essential oils very heavily on acupuncture points with, with great impact and great benefit.
0 (19m 35s): Yeah, absolutely. It's, it's such an old tradition as well. Not, not even just the aroma aspect too, but the, the physical aspect of those essences being right on those pressure points. I've had some really great success with that as well. Well, Ellen, let's dive into your book a little bit further. Nutritional healing with Chinese medicine. You know, why did you feel compelled to write this book and share this knowledge with the world?
4 (20m 1s): That's a great question. I, well I wrote my book because there are too many health issues that are caused by lifestyle and stress. And the foundations of Chinese medicine is to promote health and wellbeing and to prevent harm. And we do that by our lifestyle habits. And as an acupuncturist, people come to me for treatment, but they come for a while. When they feel better, they leave. But when they go home, they'll always eat. So Chinese medicine is because it's based in the observation of nature, it's, it's like applicable across all cultures. And in writing this book, I did a lot of research around different cultural traditions around food as medicine, and you can find them throughout the world.
4 (20m 48s): Part of that was taken from the, the travelers who came along the Silk Road from China and kind of left little tidbits. So in Iran you have vegetable doctors, you have doctors who, who actually work with food with similar principles as Chinese medicine. So I really wanted to take this ancient wisdom and, and bring it into where it matters most, the kitchen in modern life. And give people an accessible way to start to learn how to kind of reconnect to their internal common sense and intuition around food based on the seasons, based on food and how it makes us feel and helping us to be more in tune with ourselves.
0 (21m 31s): Hmm. So right now we're sort of slowly moving our way into summer. We're, we're in spring, but I, I always like to think summer's right around the corner always. But are there any recipes that are kind of your go-tos for this time of year?
4 (21m 48s): Well this is really, really interesting point cuz you're in North Carolina and I'm in Portland, Oregon where last night it was 39 degrees and it possibly was snowing in the hills.
0 (21m 57s): Oh my goodness. 4 (21m 58s): And usually we're quite ahead of the east coast in terms of spring, but where my daughter lives in Washington, DC she's texted me today, she said, mom, it's 79 degrees. Yeah. So for me, I'm waiting for winter to end even though. Right,
0 (22m 13s): Right.
4 (22m 14s): So let's talk about that in between place. You know, we're in that in-between place. You're in that spring going into summer. I'm in, in that in between place of, it's supposed to be spring, but it feels like winter going into spring. Right. So we have to really pay attention to what are the elements are out there. So for me or for those people who are in cooler places, right. Listening to this, you wanna make sure that you're still adding some warming elements to your diet. And that could just be with teas you're putting in, like I said, like I have a ginger, an orange p l t with, with peppermint. That's a really nice, kind of lightens you up a little bit, but keeps your digestive warm, keeps your chi moving, et cetera.
4 (23m 2s): In spring I like to make brothy types of soups. I have a, a brothy soup that has, it's made with a mushroom broth and Asian greens or any kind of light spring greens I have that you wanted to pick things that possibly are easy to digest, that are not too heavy. Steamed fish with herbs and like a rice peel off is a very nice go-to dish. Also conk, which, which in all cultures we have porridges, right? In northern Europe you have oats or buckwheat or in Italy you have polenta porridge.
4 (23m 44s): But in rice in Asia, they make a rice porridge, which is like a half a cup of rice to four to six cups of water. And then you cook that for long periods of time. So in my book I have, I've created seasons and every season has a different conj. Every season has a different brothy soup. Every season has a different essential seed and nut porridge that I created that's grain free for people who can't eat grains. So all of them are adapted in ways to help you be more in tune with the season. So for you where it's hot and probably li little humid, correct?
0 (24m 24s): Yeah. It's getting there. It's getting there. Yeah.
4 (24m 27s): You wanna really have foods that help clear that dampness and, and part of the way you can do that is with a, a really wonderful herb, but it's a grain called jobs tears or hot tub movie. I haven't heard
0 (24m 42s): Of that.
4 (24m 43s): Job's tears. You can get them online, usually you have to look for them, but they are gluten-free barley. Hmm. And that are, we use in Chinese herbal medicine to help clear dampness and I will add that into a porridge, like a conge. I will add that into soups just like a handful into a soup. And that helps just kind of get rid of that humidity that can build up in our own bodies where we start to feel a little bit lethargic. So that's an a nice and unusual, it's an unusual herb or food for most westerners, but you can online, you can get anything. So
0 (25m 22s): Yeah, that's true. Okay. It's a curious name, job tears. Yes, you got that name. But that is the great thing about you. I live in a small kind of rural town. There, there is no one thing my husband and I lament on all the time is there is no Asian market here cuz we love Asian food and when we go visit family in Chicago, we can go to the Asian market and get all sorts of these ingredients and we take 'em back home. But at least now you have the, you have the internet you can get
4 (25m 50s): Yeah.
0 (25m 50s): And things.
4 (25m 51s): It's true. And in the back of my book, I, I have some resources for people can get those herbs and, and things online too.
0 (25m 58s): Very cool. Very cool. Oh, this has been so fun, Ellen. Are there any last words of wisdom you wanna share with our audience before we move on to our closing questions?
4 (26m 8s): Yeah, I think that we, we have to pay attention to how our body's feeling. And when something doesn't feel right, then it probably isn't right. You know, when we change our, the way we eat and we eliminate certain high allergen type foods, like I talked about those, you know, highly processed foods, but for some people it can be dairy, for some people it can be gluten, for some people it can be fruit, it can be sugar, these kinds of things. So if you eat something and afterwards you feel bloated, you feel tired, you feel moody, you feel irritable, your digestion doesn't feel so good, then maybe it's something you ate.
4 (26m 52s): And you know, you can do little short term experiments with yourself and eliminate things, but really eliminate them and, and try, try to add more green vegetables to your diet and then just see how you feel. But trust your body. You know, that's, we have to do that and, and we have to find ways to cultivate that capacity.
0 (27m 17s): Well Ellen, before you go, we always like to ask our guests a couple closing questions. And the first is, what's just one or two self-care practices you try to do every day to stay healthy? And I imagine one of them is gonna be cooking nutritious meals and, and eating them. But we, you know,
4 (27m 33s): I do. I mean I do, I cook every day, you know, at this point I live alone and I still cook every day. I still have greens every day. So I really encourage people, even if you're not kind of really haven't really cleaned up the way you eat, just have some dark leafy greens every day. Cook them, boil them, saute them, roast them, whatever. Put 'em in your smoothies. Just get more dark leafy greens. So that I always do and I always, always find a way to move my body. You know, it's a so important to relieve stress. You only need 13 minutes to get those endorphins going in a walk.
4 (28m 16s): But we have to keep that blood and energy moving through our body. So those are two things I will do every day. And then most every day I do some meditation.
0 (28m 27s): Well finally, Ellen, what's just one thing we should all ditch completely and replace with something healthier today?
4 (28m 34s): Well, if people could go through their pantry and look at the foods that they have and if there's anything that doesn't look like it grows under the sun, ditch it. You know, potassium bromate, ditch it, red dye number three, ditch it. Any kind of foods with additives, just get them out. You know, they're even, you can find some processed foods, not the optimal, but you can find processed foods that have all normal regular ingredients in them. So I would ditch all processed foods and how would I, what would I substitute for that Whole foods, I, I just can't kind of get there any other way.
4 (29m 23s): Eat an apple, have some peanuts. If you're not allergic, have a handful of nuts. Roast your nuts with little salt or put a little maple syrup on 'em and roast them. You know, just eat real whole food that grows under the sun.
0 (29m 39s): Love it. Well thank you so much for your time, Ellen. And we'll put a, a link below to your book that's come out. Is there anywhere you wanna point people to if they want to contact you or be more a part of your world?
4 (29m 52s): Sure. You can always contact me through my website, pearl natural health.com. And I do have an opt-in, so if you want to kind of preview my book, you can opt in there, get on my mailing list and you'll get a 10 page free book. So you'll go to pearl natural health.com/optin. I'm also on Instagram at goldsmith ln and Facebook at Nutritional Healing with Chinese Medicine. And you know, I love to be in touch with people. I love to know your questions. I like to know how you're doing. So please reach out.
0 (30m 27s): Well, thank you so much, Ellen, for coming here and sharing your wisdom with us on the essential Oil revolution. We appreciate you.
4 (30m 33s): Thank you, Samantha. Thanks for having me.
0 (30m 36s): The essential oil revolution is created by me Samantha Lee Wright, thanks so much for tuning in. I appreciate every single one of you. Thank you so much for choosing to make this show a part of your day. We'll catch you here next week. In the meantime, keep on learning, keep on discovering, and most importantly, keep on treating yourself well. You are worth it.